GGG vs Canelo at 160lbs in 2015-16

Against Cotto who had hijacked the MW belt and dragged it down to junior middle catchweights.
Canelo set out to fight Cotto who was his own size in his own weight class. He said plenty of times back then that he wasn't ready to move up to 160.
Ggg and his fans wanted Canelo before he grew into 160.
Thw fight back then would have favoured GG at 160.
At 155 where the belt had been contested it would have favoured Canelo. That's why Golovkin refused that weight.
Both guys wanted the fight when it favoured them the most

 

GG was prime and at his peak. He's still close to prime now.
If he wasn't Mungia would have a chance of beating him but we all know Mungia is going to be split in half

 

Mungia doesn't have a chance because Mungia is ****. Not because GGG is even remotely close to his prime. How long do you think the guys prime is? The first GGG-Canelo fight was three years ago. His best performances (Geale/Macklin) were like six or seven years ago. He's 38 and has had around 450 fights. He is in no way close to his prime.

 

Canelo isn't improving with each fight. There was literally no difference in him aside from the opposition in front of him between Smith and Kovalev. He looked exactly the same vs Jacobs as he did in the GGG fights. No improvements at all. Sure, different styles he's electing to use, but there was no improvements from Canelo from GGG II to now. Just worse competition. GGG on the other hand has been steadily declining since before the first fight.

GGG has that many rounds because he knocks the nobody's out. That's now a criticism, is it? And as for GGG fighting mostly nobody's, has-beens and bums for most of his career should look at Canelo's first 40 fights. Most of his career has been spent fighting cab drivers from Mexico as well.

 

Stop posting like a biased casual.
Mungia isn't great but he isn't chit. Even bummy guys like Mungia could beat a top guy way past his prime. History has shown many examples of guys losing to guys they would have dominated in their prime.
Simple fact of the matter is mungo would stand a chance if golovkin had nothing left. We all know he has no chance.
Cos Age doesn't equal prime. Froch slept grocers at age 38.
And 450 fights? Just stfu with tbst nonsense

 

Similar in a lot of ways to the first fight. It’s a competitive fight, the majority of observers score it for GGG on the basis of being busier.

 

What is your obsession with Mungia?

Okay....

When did I say he had nothing left? He's still top three in the world. He's levels ahead of Mungia first. Doesn't mean he's close to his prime.

No he didn't. He stopped him at 36, the age Canelo almost lost and drew with GGG. And neither were prime then either. Age might not equal prime in all cases, but in this case, it clearly does. Watch GGG at 38 then watch him at 31 and be honest with yourself about which one looks like a prime fighter.

40 as a pro, like 400 as an amateur.

Dunno about you but I'd say that 440 is 'about' 450.

 

So no one actually thinks Canelo could have successfully defended his MW WBC belt against Golovkin in his first defence, that surprises me.

Golovkin is clearly not in his prime now, but he has adjusted his style to stay at the top level.

 

We were both wrong. Froch was 37 for the rematch in which he looked far better then he did in the first when he was 36.

Mayweather looked past prime in both fights with Maidana yet he went onto to give Pacman a schooling.

Everyhting depend on who you are fighting.

GGG suddenly stopped being prime because he stopped facing bums. It was Canelo who made him look past prime because of his speed and counter punching.
Before he foguht Brook , jacabobs and Canelo he fought guys were were slow. . Its no coincidence he stopped looking like a wrecking ball as soon as he fought better opponents

 

Adjusted his style how?

 

No he was 36 and he looked awful in both coz he was past prime

https://boxrec.com/en/event/687121/1867754

Yes, and he was past prime then too.

No, that's made up. You're chatting gas. For every example you give me of a guy looking good after 38, I can give you 100 of a guy looking bad.

GGG didn't face bums before Canelo. For a good four years he had decent comp, he looked worse when he fought Jacobs, Canelo, Derev, etc; because he was past prime. The fact that he had clearly declined, and was on the wrong side of 35 for these should be proof enough of that. It's weird that you're arguing otherwise.

 

Youre a stupid troll. All can do is say the opposite to everything i say like a little child. Don't have time for this clown behavior on a saturday night

 

Well first it's, why. The why is he slowed down after the Lemieux fight.

The how is in response to that, he couldn't pressure with the same ferocity and wasn't able to cut the ring off as effectively as he once did. So he utilised his jab a lot more and became more of a stalker than a hunter.

He is much more content with using the jab to punish rather than follow up with his usual array of power shots.

I actually think Jacobs gave Golovkin far too much credit in their fight, especially in the early rounds. He had the size and speed but was scared of the power Golovkin had, it was only later in the fight he realised Golovkin couldn't deliver that power in the way he once could.

The threat of Golovkin cutting through an opponent isn't really there now as he's slowed so much, his power is still there but he's not going to be landing punches the way he used to.

That being said his jab is still amazing and his feet whilst slower are still very effective, he's still clearly one of the best MW fighters in the world, he just isn't the same fighter he was from Proksa to Lemieux.

I think his decline was masked somehwat by Wade being a low level oppnenent and Brook not being strong enough to keep Golovkin away.

 

Golovkin beat Lexiuex with the jab. He would still beat Lemieux cos his jab is still amazing as you put it