GGG vs Canelo should never have gone past 8 rds

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  1. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    For the past 2 years, everybody thought Gennady's formidable arsenal coupled with Canelo's bad stamina, short stature, weight controversies and cement feet should naturally have concluded with a KO inside 8. If that.

    This past week, Gennady by KO was the most likely outcome at the bookies at +140.

    What transpired instead was a better punch efficiency by Alvarez, of all people, while Golovkin plodded forward unable to land with any precision.

    Incapable to hurt Chavez Jr 3 months ago, Canelo managed to make GGG stumble backwards in the 10th with a flush left hook-right hand. He additionally landed numerous uppercuts and right hand bombs. All the while masterfully avoiding Gennady's assaults his back against the ropes.

    Quite an extraordinary improvement by Alvarez.
    And a very fortunate one; instead of being annihilated like most pundits predicted, Canelo keeps his star status very much alive and remains a very lucrative PPV star at the box office. Golden Fishnets gets credit for delivering as promoter.
    Gennady keeps his titles while becoming one of the richest Kazakstan citizens, and Abel gets too his biggest trainer purse ever.

    Everybody's happy.

    But amidst all this joy and fortune, there's one detail no one is talking about; the inexplicable absence of Gennady's left hook to the liver, and general bodywork.
    This shot would have enabled him to end the fight at any time, being the tallest fighter and being able to corner Canelo to the ropes.

    Brook, Lemieux, Murray, Monroe, Macklin, Stevens and many others, felled by these deadly left hooks to the liver. But absent in Gennady's biggest fight ever.

    He never threw it once.

    His trainer never reminded him.

    Not even once.

    All the pros fighters who watched were in the disbelief over the lack of body work by our duo.

    But in the end, it's still the better outcome; nobody got hurt.

    And everybody made money.

    Lots of it.

    By the buckets.

    All is good and well, in the end.
     
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  2. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Are you suggesting that this was a rehearsed fight?
     
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  3. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought Triple G would stop Canelo. I was wrong on that but still felt he won the fight.

    The lack of body work was strange to say the least. He didn't do much of it against Jacobs either, but that was different with a tall rangy fighter. He went after it against Brook who was mobile and everyone else. I was a little stunned he didn't throw more last night to the body.
     
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  4. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was winning by doing what he was doing, so why would he change it and risk creating new openings for Canelo?
     
  5. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    GGG is a smart fighter. He and the corner concede the speed advantage. In order to be able to land body shot, he would have to be close and quick or else Canelo uppercut will land first.
    I see a very smart fighter who knows his weakness and acknowledge his opponent's strength.
    No fighter comes into the ring thinking they can take any hit to the whisker, no matter how good we think GGG chin is. Canelo was baiting and punches with bad intention.
    The jab was working perfectly from a distance, why risk it. He still won comfortably in the eyes of 90% of people who actually knows boxing.
     
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  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because there's a good chance it would get Canelo out of there that's why.
     
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  7. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People like you don't understand boxing or top level sports in general. If you are beating another world class athlete by a decent margin, you don't take chances.

    If GGG had done something to go for the body, maybe he gets his with a counter and it causes him to lose instead of draw.
     
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  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People like you have never had a fight so your opinion is about as valid as my opinion on rocket science.

    He knew he was in for a raw deal should it go to the judges, you try your best to land one of your bread and butter shots when you know they are fight ending punches.
     
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  9. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You get it. I was excited watching this fight.

    The first few rounds Canelo's speed advantage was really working well. But the way GGG turned it around was pretty amazing. He used superior timing, distance, footwork, energy expenditure to beat Canelo.

    I liked how GGG used his tiny feints to get Canelo to move out rapidly, bob and weave for no reason/slip punches that don't exist. This really wears you down. When you do "head movement" you do not actually move from the waist much, you are moving your ENTIRE BODY. You use your legs and hips to turn/move away from the punch. Canelo makes people miss very wide, which actually isn't that good. It looks "cool" to dummy casuals, but the truth is it just wears you out more. Also with as big as Canelo is, he should be using his size by hitting the guy more. Not by moving away from punches without landing many counters.
     
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  10. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    It was an intense fight. Canelo has a poker face and his big fight experience shows in his calming appearance. But after initial 3 rounds, GGG present and pressure was getting to him. He is uncomfortable in the centre of the ring for the full 3 minutes, something that if he managed to do will give him the victory.
    GGG has his limitation and Canelo do have excellent skill but his stamina is really in question for this fight.
     
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  11. The Long Count

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    Good point. I felt he was in control so it wasn't urgent to go to the body, I'm sure Canelo prepared for that and two counter it, and Canelo knew that and game planned himeslf. Basically chess strategy between them. However still odd to me that Triple G didn't attempt it a little he is such an outstanding body puncher almost by reflex I thought he would of attempted it, such control high ring IQ
     
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  12. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like I've said before, the problem wasn't just his stamina. It is his energy expenditure. He was doing too many expensive evasive moves when Golovkin would feint. He also was moving backwards. He would move back fast, and golovkin would then proceed to cut him off at a slower speed (uses less energy to go to canelo after he has run around).
     
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  13. sponge

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    Yes and no.

    Yes.
    GGG carried the fight.

    No.

    Canelo does not want to lose.
     
  14. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    . Bull****! Any good fighter knows to go to the body. If GGG sinks left hooks into the little bodybuilders liver, he slows him down and stops him. Canelo wasn't hurting him. A great fighter goes body and head and brings canela down.
     
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  15. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Great points, but we all know the bodywork is GGG's bread and butter. Ggg was going to get hit regardless he went to the body or not. Like Lucas Matthyese, when GGG doesn't concentrate on the body, his game drops some and he tends to struggle more. Going to the body is the #1 rule on slowing down mobile fighters.
     
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