GGG vs James Toney at 160.

Another joke post.

I have honestly tried to debate you, but it’s just pointless.

Why should I spend my time giving you an objective debate, when you type out the absolute horse manure from above.

I never knew that you were like this.

I honestly thought that you were a top poster. But the truth is, you are LITERALLY INCAPABLE of debating this subject.

You cannot give Toney any credit for the Nunn win. Yes, he was behind before the knockout. WTF cares?? It was a prime version of Michael Nunn. A guy who beat Kalambay etc. Why can you not give Toney credit for the win?

The Reggie Johnson fight was close. But Reggie gave lots of fighters close, competitive fights. Guys like David Jackson, Collins, Castro and Tarver etc.

We’ve covered the McCallum fight. Yes, Toney fought a past prime version. Yes, a younger version may have beaten him. But, as evidenced by his wins over Collins, Kalambay and Watson, he was still a great fighter. So who cares if he drew and beat a 35 year old fighter? It was still a great win. But you can’t give him credit. All you can do is look at the negatives. Again, if someone had beaten Floyd Mayweather when he was 35, that would have been classed as a great win, as se he was still an elite, top P4P fighter at the time.

Roy Jones was not the ONLY great fighter who Toney fought. Once again, Nunn and Mike were also great.

Tim Littles was a very good fighter. He didn’t deserve his ranking? Ha! He’d recently beaten Frankie Liles. You are absolutely clueless.

Right, it’s your turn.

Post up GG’s ranked fighters and put them under the same microscope.

Let’s have a look what Rubio, Macklin and Murray did etc.

 

You are one of the most dishonest posters I’ve ever seen.

 

From an objective standpoint?

GTFO.

You don’t know the meaning of the word.

This is supposed to be prime for prime.

Both guys at their absolute best.

Whenever anyone mentions Jacobs, you start crying.

“Waaah, waaah, he wasn’t prime, you can’t use that version...”

Well you can’t use the Tiberi and Williams fights then.

If you’re going to say that GG would have won because Toney struggled with Tiberi and Williams, then we’re going to say that Toney would have won based on the Canelo and Jacobs fights.

Again, you can only say that he was behind against Nunn.

Pathetic.

 

We don’t care about the stats.

Just tell us who he knocked out with one punch, and then we’ll evaluate them.

 

You have it backward. I keep hearing you saying but but but Toney beat better competition. Ok, let's use that logic, he beat better competition than Monzon, does that make him better than Monzon? By your logic, YES. There goes your main point.

DISHONEST, that is you trying to compare resume with GGG's ending at Wade. What a joke you are.

The best Toney fought at 160-168 are

Roy Jones, who easily defeated him.

A 35 year old McCallum, who official drew with a prime James Toney.

And Mike Nunn who was 3 or more rounds ahead prior to the 11th round come from behind Toney KO. No re-match was offered.

Toney is officially 1-1-1 here, however each man out boxed him. I guess you must hate punch stats.

Further more he struggled mightily in other matches, barely winning them being floored or badly swollen. I can prove all of the above. Where is this great fighter? Losing to Tiberi? Oh yea, fan boy excuse time!

Yeah buddy, dream on. Maybe you give him bonus points for saying racist stuff and selling drugs.

 

You have not see his fights. No surprise there. You don't care about stats because they don't agree with you.

 

You have few or no factual points, only your biased opinion. I'm the guy brining up facts, you often run form them

 

You should never expect an honest or fair debate from this guy. He's here only to push an agenda , not to post as a fan. He riles up everybody he interacts with with his dishonest top trumps style of posting. .
He hasn't a clue how to debate boxing from a technical perspective which is why Toney behind against Nunn is being repeated over an over like a parrot. . Toney behind against Nunn on the cards is irrelevant as his style is the opposite of Golovkins.
Golovkin would also be behind against Nunn before/if he scored a knockout.

 

Mendoza,

1. No. You haven’t answered all of my questions. I’m still awaiting your answers which you keep ducking.

2. I haven’t cut his career in half. I’m looking at GG in his PRIME. You are the guy who whines like a little girl when people mention the Jacobs fight. So I’m only focusing on his prime, up until the Dominic Wade fight. Or do you want to move the goalposts, where we look at his entire career??

3. You are so biased and full of emotion, you’ve even resorted in to making a spin off thread because you didn’t get the result which you wanted.

You’re so dumb. You have completely missed the point. The point was, to show you that Billy could beat a good fighter who you rate when switched on and motivated, but that he could barely beat a EUROPEAN level fighter when he was unmotivated and just going through the motions. If you can’t comprehend the point that I made, you don’t deserve any of my time.

Oh my word!

He was UNMOTIVATED and had just fought a great fighter just 7 weeks earlier.

You have just said that the reason Billy nearly lost to Akavov was because he wasn’t focused.

The reason that Toney lost is because he too wasn’t focused.

Or does it only count for Billy, but not for Toney??

Again, IF Toney had been at his best for Tiberi, then how the hell did he beat Mike, Reggie, Nunn, Thornton, Littles, Barkley and Jirov etc?

Enlighten me, Einstein.

Neither guy was at their best. So why focus on those fights when it’s prime for prime?

We can discuss them after you’ve told us how many divisions GG has fought in, and how many fights he had at 30 years of age.

Go.

Roy destroyed two 180 plus pound LHW’s with single shots.

Who did GG take out with single shots?

Go.

 

GGG wouldn't have even beaten Pirog, let alone Toney.

 

These guys are donuts.

Not only did many other guys not beat them easily, but go and look at who they actually beat themselves.

They’re so ignorant.

If Mike had been washed up at 35 where he’d have lost to low level guys etc before Toney struggled with him, then it would look bad on Toney. But when Mike was breaking down a guy like Watson, who almost beat Eubank a weight higher, then beating Mike even in a close fight is a great achievement.

Honestly, I thought that Mendoza and BCS8 were cool guys. But when they can’t give Toney credit for beating Nunn, on the grounds that he was behind at the time of the stoppage, it just beggars belief. I mean who cares if he was behind. He beat and stopped a peak version of Michael Nunn. And he broke him down with body shots. So what if he’d been getting outboxed. The guy was a big southpaw with a 77” reach, with great skills and athleticism.

A clean win over Michael Nunn was a great win.

A win over a still great McCallum was a great win.

To not rate them because Toney struggled, is the most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard.

And then we get the line:

“Toney struggled with his best opponents in his prime, whereas GG didn’t”

Yeah, but there’s a world of difference between fighting Nunn and McCallum, to Dominic Wade and Matthew Macklin.

Honestly, have you ever seen 2 simpletons like these before?

If you’re British, they’re like the Chuckle Brothers.

 

Answer the questions that have been put to you:

They’re very simple.

1. In his prime, (so you don’t cry about the Jacobs fight) did GG fight anyone as good as Mike McCallum and Michael Nunn?

Yes or no?


2. Did GG have a schedule as busy as Toney’s?

Yes or no?


I have answered your questions.

Answer mine.

 

Of course he didn’t watch it.

He knows nothing about Tim Littles either.

He says that Littles did nothing to be ranked in the top 10, yet he’d just beaten Frankie Liles.

Let him put Geale etc under the microscope.

 

Another NOTHING post.

I’ve never even mentioned Monzon’s name.

For the SECOND TIME, I am only going up to the WADE fight, BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT THAT WAS HIS LAST PRIME FIGHT.

What the hell is wrong with you??

If you want me to evaluate his whole career, including the Jacobs and Canelo fights, then that’s fine.

It’s you who wants to talk about primes.

Ha!

I figured you out a long time ago.

This is how it is:

You like to mention Toney’s prime, because it covers the Williams and Tiberi fights. But if I note that GG fought nobody in Nunn or McCallum’s class in his own prime, you start saying it’s not fair because I’m only covering half of his career. So basically, it’s okay if we include Jacobs and Canelo just on name value. You’re happy with that because it boosts his resume. When it boosts his resume you want to discuss the fact that he fought Canelo twice as well as Jacobs. You’ll happily discuss those names. That is of course, UNTIL any of the actual fight action gets discussed. At which point you don’t want to talk about Canelo or Jacobs, because you know that it shows your man in a bad light.

That’s what a garbage poster you are.

One minute, it’s: “He fought Canelo and Jacobs who were great fighters”

The next minute it’s: “Don’t talk about Canelo and Jacobs, they don’t count, he wasn’t in his prime then”

You are a joke.

Your cheerleader who can’t tell the difference between McCallum-Toney and Jones-Green is a joke.

All you want to do is to focus on the WORST versions of Toney.

Stop ducking my questions:

1. Did GG fight anyone as good as Nunn or McCallum in his prime?

2. Did GG have a schedule like Toney’s?

3. Even though fights against Nunn and Mike were close, why can’t you give Toney credit for the wins?

I have answered all of your questions.

Please answer mine without twisting them to suit your biased agenda.

Thanks.