That’s unrealistic in this case. Real world variables exist in every sport. I see no reason to take away any reasonable speculation on those matters if they were relevant and could affect the outcome of the fight. Specifically if they were a known issue with the fighter in question, as is the case here. Prime for prime should be as good a condition as it gets for hypotheticals. That’s hardly unfair. In the fights I mentioned (Tiberi, Williams, Sosa, and Johnson) he ranged from mediocre to flat out bad. All Middleweight bouts. In addition to the number of other close, controversial decision wins he accumulated against the elites. Unless you scored the Johnson and McCallum fights against him. Then it’s Nunn, an even older McCallum by MD, and Merqui Sosa (by SD no less) vs Canelo twice, Jacobs, Lemieux, Derevyanchenko, etc. Not questioning the sincerity of these points, but you’ve basically dismissed all of these showings because he was fighting once every two to three months. I think you’re defending Toney a bit too fiercely. I’m sure you’d agree that the bigger issue was Toney’s inconsistent dedication. That is a flaw in a fighter that can be exposed in the ring, the same as any technical deficiency. That’s why I have an issue with the conditions you brought forward. I thought he beat Canelo both times, and he’s been arguably the top pound for pound fighter in the sport for several years now. I think he’s pretty clearly a great fighter at this point. I don’t get into all the behind the scenes politics, so if you wanna go there, it’s not something any discussion will come from. Yeah, probably. It’s just not a legitimate scenario to consider. Yeah, I understand they’re “fantasy fights” and all, so I don’t have an issue with that kind of condition normally. Only on a case by case basis. This being one of them. It eliminates what was clearly a major flaw in Toney the way I see it. We’re in agreement there. If I were to do it the way you do, then yeah, I’d probably favor Toney. He just had more in the bag. I see it as a close fight in any scenario, though. Toney having a perceived advantage on pressure fighters in general is one thing (even though it’s an overblown style edge for him, considering he had some of his toughest battles against them as well) but against one with a great jab? That’s a whole new ball game.
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That's what I said, 7 looses to 6 different men. He's best win in Collins. Agreed? So how does he floored and lose a SD to Toney with those credentials? Do tell.
When you get shown up here, the reaction to to keep posting. I know strange but the squad of Loudon, the dishonest quoting Man_Machine, combined by the two clowns who follow them won't let this tread die. Sadly no one one is up for film review. Excuses are many. Facts don't seem to count much.
Toney faced some good jabbers. Jones who won maybe 11 of 12 rounds, Nunn who was up 6-7 points before Toney swung for the fences missing badly but landing the punch he needed, and a 35 year older or older McCallum, all go who easily out jabbed him. We can use film or punch stats. It's pretty clear. Overturned by a higher court. GGG has an excellent jab, he's lands on Toney just the same. Unlike Nunn his chin is far better making the chance of him being clipped late via late Ko being extremely slim. Let them Trade! GGG hits harder and swells and cuts less. Just like Jones, who could punch had Toney gun shy/
Although not directed to be, why can't you accept that Nunn was schooling Toney for 10 rounds? Did not not see the fight, or look at the judges cards? Question do you agree Toney was down 5-7 rounds after 10? As I asked before, where is the re-match? IMO Nunn wins it. Toney trash talk just got into Nunn's head and he was caught when Toney started swinging for the fences out of desperation because he was way behind.
A few golden nuggets worth mentioning Watson is a crappy version of Martin Murray Dave Tiberi is a better body puncher than Mike McCallum Golovkin is a better body puncher than Mike McCallum Toney and Golovkin are evenly matched stylistically. Neither one of them did anything better than the other. Golovkin wins just because he was more consistent. McCallums loses count when he was 40 fighting at 175 , but GGG gets a pass for struggling with Jacobs because he was 35. Reggie Johnson was beaten by 7 men because his boxrec page shows 7 loses. LoL
Do you want more? You said you have no negative posts on Hrgovic. Exposed as a liar you are. There's plenty more material Dino, just let me know if you want further embarrassment, okay. Hrgovic has beaten better opposition in comparison to Tyson for his first 11 fights. That was my point. Do you agree or not? Duck this question or try to spin it you will. You're worried Hrgovic is he's going to be like a Klitschko. Remember you asinine picks against Wlad ever title defense? Should I repost them here too so every not familiar with you can see who you are? Calling anyone here thick headed coming from you if funny. You're just an angry idiotic poster who's turning into a lair on top of everything else.
Post it. When you do , make sure the posts aren't a response to some garbage claim you made about Hrgovic being moved faster than Mike Tyson. Just post the posts. Thats all you have to do.
And yet you quoted me so, clearly, there is something. Another attack of senility, is it? Clearly you are a moron because I've been telling you that very thing since the beginning. But since you have the attention span of a gnat, I fully expect to have to repeat it to you again. And lest we forget: Official Judging Bob Watson 99 - 91 Dalby Shirley 98 - 92 Gary Merritt 97 - 93 If you actually watched the fight you'd have seen your secret mancrush Toney get slapped around by Nunn and made a fool of for most of the fight. He got beaten up; he got a right schooling. Toney was schooled. Toney was schooled. Call 911 and ask them to help you get your head out of your ass.
He didn't allow any fighters to be great in his prime, you dullard. In case you didn't notice, he crushed them all like bugs. Unlike Toney, who struggled with virtually every opponent who wasn't an outright bum. Maybe if Golovkin had gone 12 and won a SD over Geale in his prime, fools like you would be slobbering all over Daniel's dong. The footage is there to be seen. I suggest you watch the fight. You mean, he defended his titles yet again, dropping Jacobs in the process, all while GGG did not rehydrate fully and while Jacobs blew up like a balloon while ignoring the IBF belt. The version of Jacobs Golovkin fought would have DESTROYED the McCallum Toney lost to. He would have blasted him away like your senile dementia has blasted away any speck of understanding you have. Yes he has. Yes he has. ^ Your senile opinion. Golovkin would have trashed McCallum's 160 opposition, including Toney.
This content is protected This content is protected I've got your answers down on record, you are badly comprised and you know it - Mendoza This content is protected Captain excuses strikes again! GGG does a better job than Toney does vs the same opponents, even you said so. -Mendoza This content is protected McCallum clearly wasn't at his best. A fan boy doesn't look at the full picture Toney by contrast for all these fights was in his prime. He simply lost, drew or won via SD because he's not that good or consistent. Read that 2x, please. If he wasn't ready to go there wold be no fight scheduled. -Mendoza This content is protected Same question to you! I'm perfectly fine with mod toning this down, are you? Let's ee how many times you lose your manners for the rest of this reply, shall we? This content is protected bad manners ) This content is protected Nothing is disgraceful. You admit your knowable is thin you just don't like how I organize facts and present them. It's something your not capable of doing, because 1 ) The facts do not agree with you, and 2 ) Although your better in debate than say Blade, your not in my league of boxing knowledge. - Mendoza This content is protected This content is protected 95% would tell you Hopkins is better. Again McCallum was a good old school fighter, yet he lost to best five he fought. Mendoza This content is protected Compared to McCallum, yes he was. Why o you think Hopkins has so many title defenses while McCallum did not? An answer would be nice. - Mendoza This content is protected Yes, I provided round by round comments and the score. McCallum was up and landed more punches after 11 rounds. Try scoring it yourself. I had McCallum up by a point, and Toney had some judge fixing by one person as mentioned. -Mendoza This content is protected It doesn't work that way. Your logic is way off. Toney was very inconsistent but talent meaning he's prone for bad nights like you try to excuse ad nausea. On Toney he just did not match up well vs the top jabbers, which McCallum qualifies as, even past his prime at age 35. Watch the fight! Styles make fights. Toney did not do well vs speedy fighter or good jabbers, period. Hence a non top 25 fighter who has these qualities could beat James Toney. We saw him barley edge Johnson for example, in his prime. Got it? Styles can make fights. - Mendoza You scored the fight? I am willing to score the Toney vs Johnson fight, but only if you do the same. Do we have deal? -Mendoza This content is protected No sir. I watched four rounds at time due to a busy schedule, but did in fact watch and score all 12 rounds of Toney vs McCallum 1. Don't mis represent me. You spoke of manners before in this post. A my mistake is warranted. - Mendoza This content is protected ( Manners ) This content is protected Far more than you. Remember you said you have many gaps. - Mendoza. This content is protected Not true, I put in lots of context, you add excises. Big difference. - Mendoza This content is protected ( Manners ) This content is protected A lie. But your going down a peg every time you reply to me. This content is protected I'm doing the laughing, your manners are lacking once again, I can burry you anytime I wish with you own words. - Mendoza This content is protected HAHAHAHA, yes he was. Onve ten rounds show us your score card of Toney vs Nunn. Do not duck this question, I want to see how you saw it, which could be very funny as Nunn was far ahead - Mendoza. This content is protected I call them as I see them. No I give Toney zero credit for the Tiberi fight. We both agree he lost it, remember -Mendoza This content is protected ( Manners ) There you go again on the manners. If you want them in debate you sure aren't using them. I wish at times box rec was shut down. You use it as excuses assaying Toney only had 7 weeks rest and such. I already said Johnson last 7 times to 6 different men, with his best win being Collins which is hardly a top win. Yet a fighter of this caliber floored and narrowly lost to a prime James Toney. I offered to score it together. Got it? - Mendoza PS: I can keep it clear it appears you can not.
