GGG vs James Toney at MW

I'm not using Boxrec for anything, I know who Nunn is and have watched plenty of him on youtube. He's got a glass chin. Why did this elite fighter not bounce back and regain top 5 p4p in the world? It's because he was never elite. I see we're so far apart when judging boxers, seeing as you don't even have Jacobs as an A-level fighter and I don't see Nunn as an elite level operator with the likes of Loma, Rigo, Bud, GGG and the likes of Hagler, SRL, Hearns etc... These names I just said are "elite" Some people throw that word around too easily around here.

 

It's just becoming painful.

Kalambay was a decent scalp for Nunn, and Reggie was a journeyman boxer etc?

What's he going to come out with next?

He's trying to debate using BoxRec.

 

You are using BoxRec.

You can claim otherwise, but we know that you are.


You have admitted to not having watched fights from the U.S. back in the 90's.

You have made the ridiculous claim that Reggie was only a journeyman.

You have made the ridiculous claim that Jacobs and Nunn are alike.

You have questioned Reggie's losses to Castro, even though we know that you don't know who Castro was, as well as not knowing any details of their fights.

You have classed Nunn's spectacular knockout of Kalambay as being merely a decent scalp.

You have deemed Nunn as not being an elite fighter due to getting knocked out, despite the fact that many other fighters throughout history have also suffered the same fate.

You have classed Jacobs as an A level fighter.


I've read other posts of yours. You come across as being a nice guy. But you're out of your depth regarding this topic, and you're ruining your rep.

I know that from reading your posts that you've never seen a guy like Sumbu Kalambay. It's obvious to all of us. So stop being so defiant.

There's tons of members on here who possess a lot more knowledge than what I do. And that's cool. It's not a competition, and we're all different ages and from different backgrounds etc. Like yourself, I'm of a similar age and also from the U.K.

What I've learnt since being a member on here, is: If you don't have knowledge of the subject of the thread you've viewing, then just soak up the new information. Do not join in and defiantly argue against things you don't know of. It's completely unecessary.


Regarding Nunn, he didn't have a sustained run at the top. By the mid 90's, he'd began to fade out. He couldn't sustain his form and he had issues in his personal life. But at his best, he was on the level of a guy like Terrence Crawford who you've mentioned. But once again, you don't know the career of Michael Nunn. That is abundantly clear in the questions that you pose.

Regarding Jacobs, no, he's not an A level/elite fighter. There's only you who believes that.

 

I just skimmed read that, It looks like the stuff you have already repeated to me a few thousand times. I did catch the end though, and I'm willing to see who knows their **** about boxing. I'm willing to permanently delete my account(as long as you do in return) if you go make a thread sometime today asking this forum if Daniel Jacobs is an A-Level fighter after fighting GGG.
What do you say?

I'm only doing this because one of us clearly doesn't know **** about boxing. I'm willing to permanently delete my account if that happens to be me, are you in or are you not?

 

Yeah your absolutely right he was.

 

I come on here everyday, even if I don't post.

Why on earth would I ever even consider deleting my account?

Why on earth would I ever want you to delete your account?

Unless a member is being racist or they're spamming the forum with troll threads, then I don't want anyone to delete their account.


I haven't said that you don't know anything about boxing. You clearly do. And I know from reading you're other posts that you're a genuine fan.

What I've said, is that it's disappointing for me to see you defiantly argue about subjects that you've no knowledge of, such as this one.


It's hard for me to remain silent when you're saying things like Reggie was a journeyman and Nunn's win over Kalambay was merely a decent scalp etc.

 

I'll take that as a no, I did the poll anyhows.

 

A lot of posters(myself included) on here thought Brook was "elite" whilst he was still undefeated and was set to take on Thurman/Spence in the near future. When he come back down to 147'lb and took on the challenge of the "elite" Spence and was winning on points(like Nunn) before the stoppage. That TKO puts the idea that Brook is elite at this time to rest. Same thing just happened with Nunn, people are elite, until they get knocked the **** out.

 

Read carefully:

I don't want you to delete your account.


I just want you to stop digging your heels in and disrespecting the fighters of the past.


Can you kindly explain to me how Nunn only had a decent win over Sumbu Kalambay?

 

No he didn't you delusional fool the last time I checked Ward was 2-0 over Kovalev deal with it.

 

It's not always as straightforward as that.

Nunn beat guys like Kalambay who were elite, but then he started to slide.

Brook's a great fighter, but I always had my reservations.

 

I think you read what I said about Kalambay, incorrectly. I said that's a good scalp. His best win.

I'm not disrespecting the decent fighters, I stick by the Toney was overrated at MW comment though. His prime was clearly at 168lbs. That 168lb version kicks GGG's arse no doubt because he has 8lbs on him. The MW version. I just don't see it. GGG would kick Collins' arse at 160lbs but would clearly get outworked to hell 8lbs higher. These weights make a difference.

 

Kalambay is not ELITE. He's world class, he's not elite. Neither was Nunn. Go look up the definition of "Elite" in a dictionary, because you need to know what the hell the elite is.

 

The problem is turtling up ONLY. You have to be able to punch between an opponents punches to stop their action. If you can't do this, sooner or later someone going to get through and either break your guard or slip punches through your guard. That's why I see GGGs turtling up a bad thing. He stops his forward action and allows his opponent to throw until their done.

 

You said Kalambay was a decent scalp.

How could it only have been a DECENT scalp??


James wasn't overrated at MW.

There's a world of difference between being overrated and inconsistent.

James put in great performances against Littles and Barkley at SMW, but he didn't stay there long as he couldn't keep his weight down.


There is no logic in saying Toney at 168 would have kicked GG's a$$, but he couldn't have beaten him at 160. That's just ridiculous.