GGG vs James Toney at MW

You have no idea what elite means or how to rank a fighter.

There's so much criteria to meet when objectively ranking someone.


You simply have to account for the depth of the division/quality of opposition.

A world class, elite fighter will obviously have an easier time against B and C class opposition, than when he fights against A level guys and fellow elites.


You have to analyse the skill set of the fighter in question.

You have to analyse the opposition.

You have to analyse where the opponents were in their careers at the time of the fights.

You have to analyse the depth of their division etc.


Do you not realise that Mike Mcallum consistantly fought top quality opposition?

There's obviously a world of difference between fighting guys like Kalambay and Toney etc, to fighting guys like Monroe, Murray and Lemieux etc.

Of course GG will look more dominant against those guys. Yet he doesn't when he fights Jacobs and Canelo. But then to you, it's only because he's now faded.

Despite having close fights, Mike also beat other world class opposition with ease, such as when he beat Julian Jackson.

I suggest you start another thread asking whether or not Mike McCallum was an elite fighter, with a simple yes or no option.


So to you, Joe Calzaghe was elite, yet Mike wasnt?

Ha!

You kill me.

This is hilarious.

And the reason you think that, is because Mike had tough fights, whereas Joe dominated his opposition?

Yet you won't take into account that Mike fought much better opponents?

Mike fought peak versions of Kalambay and Jackson, as well as Toney who was in his early 20's.

Joe defended a lightly regarded WBO belt against mainly B and C class opposition.

Of course Joe was more dominant.

You haven't got a clue.


Read this carefully:

Mike McCallum was a better fighter than Joe Calzaghe.


To finish off this great comedy post, can you kindly tell me how Carl Froch has a better resume than Andre Ward.


Finally, can I come and see your next stand up show?

You're a great comedian.

 

"You have no idea what elite means or how to rank a fighter."
I stopped reading there, as that poll which shows 100% of boxing fans think Jacobs is an A-Level boxer. I'm sure your other input was mesmerising but I really can't take any of it seriously.

 

You didn't stop reading there, you just have no comeback to any of my points, because you are: COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR DEPTH!

You are like a man stranded in the middle of an ocean, having just passed his 25 meters.


Of course people are going to claim Jacobs is top class, when their only option is to say he's rubbish.


You really should try and learn something. Because taking on board new information is a lot better than making a complete fool of yourself.


Why don't you try another thread asking whether or not Mike McCallum was elite?


You can't even comprehend that fighting other top draw fighters is much harder than fighting lower level ones.


You think Joe was elite, but Mike wasnt?


You're an absolute disgrace.

 

The correct post is:

"I was wrong. Beating Quillin wasn't a fluke. Jacobs is better than he ever was, he's a huge middleweight and his skills are legit. He's the #2 MW and would probably beat Canelo. I look forward to seeing more of him."

 

Golovkin on points.

Toney was too inconsistent, and the jab & volume would get to him.

Afterwards, it would just be chalked up as another Toney "off-night".

 

In a fantasy fight, the fairest thing to do is to assume that both guys are fully fit, fighting to their full capabilities.

If James had fought GG just a month or 2 after fighting someone else and he didn't know anything about him etc, then he could well have gotten beat. But if he'd have been fully focused and switched on like he was against McCallum and Barkley etc, then he would have been operating at a much higher level.

 

I get annoyed that Toney gets the passes he does for every loss or poor performance at the lighter weights, but beyond that, I see no reason to assume that even the best version would beat GGG.

They'd be great fights, but GGG is a tough styles matchup for him. Toney's fights with McCallum don't convince me he'd beat GGG at all, and sandwiched in that was the Tiberi robbery. Mike was 34 & 35 in those fights, and while I think GGG is a better middleweight than the Bodysnatcher was at any point in McCallum's career, he's certainly not worse than the versions Toney fought. The better jab being the crucial difference & why GGG would have better success in the ring generalship vs Toney.

 

And, also, I don't see a reasonable chance whatsoever GGG gets stopped for those 10% that voted for it. He's not gassing like Nunn did, and that's the only durable middleweight Toney EVER stopped.

Respect the CHEEN.

 

Jabs don't win fights Duke.. Thats why he got a gift against Jacobs and a draw with Canelo. He'd need to bring a lot more than just a jab to beat Toney.

 

I don't see Toney getting stopped either, to be fair. I think GGG leads with the jab and outworks him.

 

^ Opinion.

 

McCallum actually handily outlanded Toney in one of their fights and still ended up with the L. Nunn was paddling his backside for 90% of the fight before Toney made his comeback. Tiberi ... let's not even go there.

Toney had some gifts and he had some unconvincing performances even in winning.

Golovkin has not only straight-up crushed the entire division, but even in his worst fights he got the W and yeah, I'm including the Canelo fight where he started slow, never let his hands really go when he had Canelo cornered and never went to the body.

Toney looks beatable. Golovkin not so much.

 

I agree. This is a points fight any way you cut it. Too much durability from both parties.

 

I don`t think Toney could fight at the amazing full on pace GGG set against Canelo plus I think Canelo defended against the hook better than Toney did.

 

Jones would have stood a better chance against GGG at amateur level because it`s only 3 rounds and GGG is a slow starter who takes his time to work opponents out.