GGG vs James Toney at MW

OK..you took a quick run to boxrec to catch up I see. Good job.

 

Did I say it was fine to discredit 3G? Did those words show up anywhere in my post? If not, why jump to that conclusion?

And this is the source of your discontent for Toney. You feel 3G isn't getting as much props as Toney...and now you are against Toney. Kewl....

 

Don't you find it funny that this step up in comp only happened after he started to age. Its a well known fact people avoided prime GGG, Martinez did, JR did, Froch did, Cotto did, Canelo did. They see him losing a step and decided to fight him, Even BJS wants to fight him now. There's a BJS interview out there where he clearly admits to ducking GGG and waiting till he hit 35. Seems ****ing weird all his competition see that he lost a step, and not his haters.

 

They are ready to pounce the moment ANYONE tries to make even a viable excuse on 3G's behalf. He has the wrong skin color for many posters here.

 

Boxrec, is that where you get your information from?

Posters in here have been attacking GGG's resume, I brought up Toney's resume to show the comparison. Its not an attack on Toney, its an attack on their double standards.

 

GGG's stoppage rate at top level is zero% and one of those guys was fragile chinned Jacobs so his power is not going to have any effect on Toney.
Toney would do significantly better than Canelo and he was bigger , had a longer reach , hit harder and had far greater stamina and work rate. Toney doesn't have to do a lot more than what Canelo and Jacobs produced to get a clear decisive win over 3G and he is certainly more than capable to do it.
He'd put a pasting on 3G. MaCallum was a better boxer than 3G.
3G likes to say he was ducked , well all time greats wanted no part of of the body snatcher. Tony fought him twice.

 

I've seen a few racists posters get banned. Most people are fine, there's some clear bias though towards white fighters from some people. Just not having 1 single white fighter in their top ten p4p gives the game away. There is equally racist white people though, just to level up the argument.

 

No, I was watching all these fights back then.

So what? Posters have been doing that for ages. And to about any fighter, even if the resume is fine. This double standard only applies if it's the SAME posters doing it. Point them out...because making a generalization is just pointless.

 

Ilikeboxing,

You can't just sweep aside fights against Reggie Johnson, Michael Nunn and Mike McCallum, and then say: "that's it"

You're talking about high quality opponents. High quality opponents the likes of which that GG has never fought.

If you think that James just landed a "hail Mary" to save himself against Nunn, then you've obviously never watched the fight.

What on earth are you talking about?

Is this a joke?

Jacobs and Nunn shared similar styles?

Reggie was only a journeyman?

Come on.

You're clearly not interested in an objective debate, and it seems absolutely obvious to me that you've never seen the likes of Nunn and McCallum etc.

You don't think they'd have a stood a chance?

Really?

Based on what?

Sure, GG could have beaten them. But to say they wouldn't have had a chance just smacks of ignorance.

Mike McCallum was an elite fighter. A supreme boxer.

Michael Nunn was a rangy southpaw, with great skills, speed and reflexes. He's 6'1, with a 77" reach.

As great as GG is, he has just struggled with Danny Jacobs, a tough guy, but one who's not an A level fighter, as well as just having a close fight against Canelo.

You're talking nonsense.

 

If Nunn (elite) McCallum (HoF) and Gross (multiweight champ) is weak to you, then you've again shytted on 3G by saying he was even weaker, becase he boasts a draw with an elite and nothing better.

Well done with destroying the very argument you were putting forward, again.

Furthermore, Toney did this (HoF win, HoF draw, elite win, multiweight champ win) with only a fraction, JUST 3 YEARS, of his career spent as a ranked MW, NOT HIS WHOLE 11 YEAR career like 3G only to boast ONE DRAW with an elite.

Again, you've destroyed your own argument.

WHAT? IS CONTENDER Jacobs AS GOOD as multiweight lineal elite champ Michael Nunn??

You didnt waste time destroying that argument of yours !

thats because you dont think. CLEAR from your triple fail above.

 

What does this mean?

You can't make comparisons like that, when you're looking at 2 completely different eras.

It's silly.

Would GG have won that award in the 90's, following James' timeline?

Likewise, would Toney have won that same award in 2013, had he have been in his mid 20's at MW, again following the same timeline as GG, fighting the same opponents?

You can't use that accolade as a stick to beat Toney with.

By the time James had fought Roy in 1994, he'd already fought 46 times at just 26 years of age.

 

This is your best effort?
Nunn and Jacobs are similar in many ways, using the range and landing bombs with power in both hands. Yes, there is comparison there and to call Jacobs not even an A level fighter is rather ****ing ludicrous seeing as he went close to beating a P4P fighter, who many consider number 1 right now. You're not even giving GGG credit for beating Canelo neither? That's quite expected from a hater of GGG's, Canelo is in most people's P4P list and looked pretty good in their in one of the most dominant MW's in history, who is slightly past his best.

Reggie was a Journeyman, yes. His best victory is drained Collins.
Nunn was very talented and Jacobs shares a lot of comparisons to his skills. If they fought it would be a case of who landed first. If you think Nunn runs right through Jacobs, than you're not watching boxing with an unbiased view and are just picking your favourites like Roy to beat everybody.

Mike was an animal, and his fights with Toney showed there is nothing separating them. I have GGG beating Toney by UD, so yes he will beat Mike as well. 2013 GGG this is. The fighter of the year.

 

GGG, BEAT Canelo. I don't give a **** what your silly little ******ed Troll self has to say about that.

GGG would have some names on his resume if people fought him, and never avoided him like bitches. What part of this don't you get when it comes to his resume? If Martiez fought him, there's your HOF name on his record. If Cotto fought him, another HOF name. Froch HOF.



Jacobs would more than likely be Lineal MW champion right now if GGG wasn't around. So yes, he would be as good as Nunn.

 

This is hyperbole and wildly short sighted. Toney fought in an era with only State commission post fight drug tests. it was a different game in those days compared to today and it makes comparison with guys who do year around VADA like Golovkin almost impossible.

Most would say Tommy Morrison beats Kubrat Pulev but Morrison was juiced heavily and pulev gets tested year round unannounced by Sauerland. Morrison's opponents were also juiced to the same degree as him but if they weren't then that's on them. While who knows to what degree Pulev's opponents juiced? Testing protocols and standards vary somuch these days from federation to federation, commission to commission and contract to contract and even individual to individual that it's impossible to know.

Take note I gave you a courteous response so I would appreciate the same in return but I am not holding my breath.

 

Dude save your mental energies; Lance and Herol are SPECIAl. LOL