GGG vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jr @160 - Who wins?

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  1. Magges

    Magges Well-Known Member Full Member

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    GGG is the worst style matchup for Chavez Jr in the whole division.

    Like you say, Chavez Jr is likely to go in and unload. If he follows his usual gameplan, he will eat too many short hooks to count. Arum knows this though, he won't let Chavez Jr. fight Golovkin.
     
  2. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    No surprise there.

    You gotten over it yet or still hurting?
     
  3. dazl1212

    dazl1212 kafir and proud Full Member

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    Well this is the big difference, in fact the biggest difference, Chavez has been in with the far superior fighters. I personally put Chavez as favorite. An issue though on the chins front is how much is cutting to middle taking out of Chavez? Golovkin is a small middleweight, I doubt he cuts much.
    I'd like Golovkin to beat him but if he does I think he'd go through hell to do it
     
  4. MarioBrothers

    MarioBrothers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    toss up, in fact they should fight and the winner gets to martinez. I'm going with 3G on this one though
     
  5. Bullitt

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    You know Angulo blasted through Rosado without getting touched...and he's hardly a defensive wizard..

    GGG had to go rounds with Rosado...and got both eyes touched up..

    I GGG were stock....I'd sell him short...

    Golovkin is a 30 y/o solid fighter with heavy hands and **** for defense..

    They have to be as careful matching him in the future as they have been in the past.

    Good thing he has HBO jockriding his meager accomplishments...:deal
     
  6. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    Copy and pasted from another thread with regards to Chavez Jr dealing with GGG's punches.


    He may walk straight into them i highly doubt he'd be walking out the other side of those shots if you know what i mean. Chavez does have his shear size to try and impose but not a lot else, he doesnt hit that hard and is fairly basic in his approach. I can see GGG riding out a rough few early rounds trying to contend with Chavez's size and strength, as the contest progresses i think Golovkin takes advantage of Chavez's lack of subltely and PlanB. I think a key point that needs to be explored is that guys like Proksa and Rosado have the experience to try and box off the back foot and to try and outright survive, does Chavez? What happens when Chavez realises he cant just march forward into Golovkins shots because they hurt a little too much? I highly doubt he has the manouvability to box on the back foot or the experience to know when to stop marching forward. I think some peaple can be a little bit crazy with their love for Golovkin and the opponents they pick him over. However i think Chavez is definately a winnable bout and something they should target in the near future, shame Arum would stop it happening.

    What ive also noticed is people's assumption that Chavez Jr would be able to bully and push back the smaller man simply because of his size and strength. GGG applies a very different kind of pressure to Chavez which involves putting the opponent on the back foot with superior footwork, balance and power. In other words his opponent doesnt get the chance to push him back because they either cant get close or they are too scared to do so. If his opponent does throw he covers up and then instantly reasserts his authority with hard, compact snapping hooks and uppercuts. That or he punches at the same time and jars his opponent onto the back foot again.

    In the case of Jr you have a guy who will try and push you back, wear you down and throw to the body, he throws punches in bunches and relies on his brute strength to absorb anything that comes back. He would have serious problems dealing with the way Golovkin applies pressure because he cant simply step forward and absorb what comes back at him. Firstly when Chavez does begin throwing combinations he would be falling short as Golovkin is always positioned just out of his opponents reach, poised perfectly to either take a step back and make himself a very small target or to come back with hard vicious counters. Chavez i noticed only really throws if he is on the inside or will be positioned on the inside by the time he has stopped throwing. If he tries to throw his combinations to the body i see Golovkin crashing that left hook into his head or the ear more specifically to shut down that part of his offence. Golovkin has many strengths. The key in this bout is Golovkin's same time punching, specifically with the left hook, it quick and compact yet comes from an angle that peripheral vision simply wont pick up. Chavez Jr would be hit again and again with the same punches, his defence as we know lacks compared to his other strengths.

    Another key point that is being somewhat ignored is how much damage the Martinez bout may have taken out of him, he was hit with some hellacious shots in there and was lucky Martinez through the majority of them straight down the pipe. If you ask me i think he may have a sizeable dent in that chin that Golovkin can fully exploit with his much lauded power. Another keynt is the weights, we know Chavez struggles immensly to make weight, its only a matter of time before the body starts showing distress signs signs such as poor stamina and reduced punch resistance.

    Prediction: Golovkin TKO/KO 10.
     
  7. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you know that golovkin also ****ed up angulo in sparring:deal

    and noone will look great trying to ko a runner:deal
     
  8. Bullitt

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    Sparring tales...

    GGG is the sparring champ of the world...but in reality...he's a 30 y/o with a very meager resume and a porous defense...

    You need D in the boxing game...as in football and all other sports..even in war....you gotta' have DEFENSE....:deal

    GGG's face looked like he got hit a lot more than he did...and he reacts blatantly when he gets hit to the body:yep...he can't hide the pain

    Angulo ran clean over Rosado and didn't get touched...let alone busted up under both eyes...

    You guys on the GGG band wagon are in for a bumpy ride...

    I don't even think he could beat Chavez jr
     
  9. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can tell someone has no argument, when they keep trying to bring up the same two points, over and over again.
     
  10. Bullitt

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    A dog yelps when somebody steps on his tail...

    Maybe Canelo can step up and fight GGG....:lol:
     
  11. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Gotta love these trolls.
     
  12. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Jr stops Golovkin IMO. Jr is too big , too strong , has a solid proven chin and he's a good body puncher who puts lots of pressure. I don't think Golovkin likes to take hard body shots !

    Macklin or Barker would be some good tests for Golovkin to see how good he is. If he beats one of these guys then he's qualified for a competitive fight with Martinez , Jr or Geale. :yep

    p.s Rosado isn't even a top 10 154 fighter.
     
  13. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    I saw that . He doesn't like the body shots. :yep
     
  14. thawk888

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    Geale ducked GGG.
     
  15. IRONSENSE2002

    IRONSENSE2002 muslim and proud Full Member

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    golovkin is right in front of chavez's firing line. i think chavez would win, jr as big of a cheat that he is, has his fathers chin, and ate through everything sergio landed, pls don't tell me golovkin hits harder then martinez, golovkin doesn't move as well around the ring as sergio. I think Chavez would butcher him and this is coming from a guy who doesn't think much of the boy.