GGG vs Quillin offer to be on HBO rejected by Quillin's team

Floyds PPVs are in steep decline. Canelo sold that card not floyd, as witnessed by his fights with the Ghost and Madaina, both of which did not make the cut.

GGG is an exciting fighter, floyd is not. But, everyone is ducking GGG - he's being black-balled by AL Haymon.

 

I agree, but I do think Floyd can be exciting, just not as exciting as GGG's style, but Floyd is an amazing boxer. I think if GGG could get the fights they want, he could very well pass Floyd's numbers eventually, but getting those fights are the problem for GGG. It's got to be frustrating for them.

 

Al haymon and Schaefer are blacklisting GGG because he is HBO's boy...

 

Floyd's drawing power is overrated. He has piggy back off Oscar, Canelo, and the Hispanic community. So if the hypothetical ppv's went head to head, I can see a GGG/Chavez, GGG/Canelo, Chavez/Canelo type fight outselling Floyd.

Of course it would depend on who Floyd fights and who is on the undercard. Floyd has had the best undercards of late. Top rank and others need to take note. If you are going to charge > $60, you need to make it an event.

 

This is what makes Floyd smart. They do a lot of hyping and promoting. Pick the right opponents on the best dates. It is a BIG event. Even if he is fighting no hopers or the main event just doesn't live up to the hype. He puts on a good undercard. Remember Danny/Lucas.

I think the Cotto/Sergio fight would sell really well if they didn't just screw themselves with a crappy undercard.

 

This.

Also, I agree about the undercard. But its more than the names, its the matchups.

Something I think a lot of people have not really internalized yet, is that the way people evaluate fights they want to spend both time and money on has changed, and is changing. Twenty years ago, when there was just print and word of mouth more casual fight fans did tend to rely on things like one marquee name to sell a fight.

But this is the information era. Even the most casual of casuals who is in the mood to watch a fight, or just wants an event for Saturday night with his buddies and a cooler of beer can use Google just fine. Or, one of his buddies does. Someone in his peer group spent 30 minutes on the internet and knows which matchups are worth watching - word of mouth travels much quicker. I think as time goes on this trend will continue. We are exiting the age of the "name" and entering the age of the "matchup". Of course both names and matchups have always had some relevance, and both always will, but the relevance in regards to fan interest is certainly shifting toward the latter.

This is reflected in the poor relative sales of the Maidana fight - even though it had additional names, none of the matchups were compelling. Yet on the last BHop card, the fight squashed in the middle of the card no less - Porter and Paulie, despite neither being a big "name" outperformed the rest of the card including BHop unification bout by a whopping 20% margin. It was the best matchup on paper by far that night and as such produced a very tangible curve upwards in viewership.

Right now the only major promoter who really "gets it" is Eddie Hearn at Matchroom in the UK.

 

Golovkin pops one decent rating on free TV and now suddenly Golden Boy and Showtime are shaking in their boots and trying to draw up schemes to prevent him from becoming a PPV draw? Please.

 

I agree it matters who buys fights, and Floyd still appeals to one demographic who Golovkin and Chavez have no chance of getting at this point in their career, namely casuals. I also think you're grossly underestimating the likelihood of Floyd-Maidana performing better the second time around, especially thanks in part to the built in storyline from the first fight.

As much as it would be nice to pretend that the quality of fights is the key factor in determining PPV buys, that's simply not the case. Marquez-Bradley was clearly a better fight on paper than any Floyd card save possibly Canelo from the last year, but it got stomped on by every single Pacquiao and Mayweather show in terms of buys. Golovkin-Chavez on its own wouldn't come close to Floyd numbers, never mind if it was foolishly aired on the same day.

 

GGG-Chavez jr would do huge buys. are you kidding. Chavez jr is well followed and GGG's following has been continuously growing. Less people give a sh!t about mayweather, they want to see action.

 

Yup your right...GGG is what people want..

 

A lot of people who bought Floyd's cards are Mexican and Hispanics. Floyd/Alvarez sold well because the Hispanic fans were out in full force supporting their fighter. Without that support, Floyd doesn't get that many buys.

Given a choice, I think Hispanics would rather buy the GGG/Chavez card than the Floyd card. It's simple math really. Who will buy Floyd card? The black community? The Filipinos? The white community? I don't know man. I personally would rather buy GGG/Chavez.

People like to blame Arum, but we know who's really behind the segregation...Schaefer & Haymon. They don't like dealing with outside promoters.

 

He's been on a steady climb since his debut on HBO. He's really HBO's best future draw. It's extremely smart of Showtime to shut it down however they can. Train wrecking GGG-Chavez without a dime spent was brilliant. Showtime can be thankful you're not at their helm. Your strategy would be to sit back, plant your thumb in you a$$ and do nothing to stifle the competition. Instead, Showtime has some smart people running their show. Go back to high school and learn to think.

 

GGG is the most exciting boxer today. Period.

 

Espinoza went to watch GGG - Stevens live (he bought the tickets as a fan), Quillin can't shut up about GGG being "unfairly" more popular that him in America. Lara talks about GGG all the time. They know GGG is coming, they do recognize a potential in GGG however hard they try to negate it.

 

This fight makes no sense business wise. Why cash out him now? Everyone knows GGG is a dangerous fight and would be the favourite.

What GBP should do and in all likelihood will do is set up a Quillin vs Jacobs fight. Jacobs is a more marketable fighter and if he were to beat Quillin it would open a lot of doors.

If Quillin beats Jacobs then there is no reason why not take a fight against Golovkin.