GGG vs Quillin offer to be on HBO rejected by Quillin's team

Quillin is not fighting Golovkin. He is a limited fighter. Though I would watch the fight. It is always good when we have a unification fight. It is a shame we don't have them at 160.

 

Sounds to me like Golovkin will turn down the chance to make the most money for the fight out of "network loyalty."

 

Well theres short term, and long term thinking. Pissing off HBO for, maybe a bit more money for one fight to get Quillin as a B-side might make more money for one fight. But its not going to make money long term compared to keeping HBO in your corner.

Besides, GGG is contractually bound to HBO. Saying SHO has to be able to bid on the fight is just another way of saying "no". Its kind of silly though considering that GGG is the heavy A-side on the equation. Quillin relegated to 3rd slot on the card, hes not even co-main anymore. Nor is he bound to SHO.

Its really pretty ridiculous that GBP would insist on anything regarding TV Networks for Quillin to get a chance to unify and become an actual star by taking out GGG.

 

This is all well and good but please don't pretend Quillin would get the same consideration if he had declared he unfortunately couldn't fight Golovkin because of Showtime loyalty. The excuses are either valid or invalid in both cases.

 

Well, no - for three reasons.

One being a contract is not just loyalty.

Second being as a guy who fights way under on an undercard twice a year, Quillin has no quantifiable reason to express loyalty. Where HBO has backed GGG for headline events. HBO took a risk and gave GGG a genuine shot. What has SHO done for Quillin?

The last of course being the fact that GGG is the A-side by a huge margin. The guy who is getting the bigger opportunity is Quillin by far. If he beat GGG he wouldnt be an undercard fighter anymore by anyones standard. Networks would be falling all over themselves to get headline airdates for a dynamic Unified American 160lb champ.

That being said, I dont blame Quillin himself at all. I would bet a lot of money that Quillin himself would jump at the fight if he was able. I consider Quillin the victim here, who signed a bad contract to people who view him as a pawn and are more concerned with cokblocking the opposition than they are with getting their own guy a big opportunity.

 

And there's no evidence against Quillin likewise having a Showtime contract.

Continued to compensate him and air him despite having no available recognizable opponents for over two years.

Nah A-side/B-side is tangential when it comes to justifying network loyalty or disloyalty. I can just as easily paint it as Quillin and his team having the most to lose since they'd have literally no piece of the middleweight division if they let KC go across the street to lose his belt.

HBO explicitly stopped working with Quillin's promoters, not the other way around. It was that decision that blocked him from the rest of the division. It's nice enough that HBO wants to suddenly use him for one fight, but it would be silly for GBP to just throw them a bone for nothing in return because they're suddenly not happy with Golovkin's prospective opponents.

 

Kind of scratching my head now, A-side and B-side facts of life are expressed across all the aspects of a contract for a boxing match.

Your expression of low expectations regarding considering what happens in a loss for Quillin.. are.. well, why he and his team get panned. Not taking a fight versus another titleholder in your division because you might lose.. is what is generally referred to as a duck.

And its not that HBO suddenly wants to use him, its that K2 is willing to make the fight to try and unify because they are confident in their guy. Where they have plenty of excuses not to if they werent confident.

As far as proving Quillin has no SHO contract - thats being silly. You cant prove a negative like that. But it is rather sensible and reasonable to concur that if such a contract existed, Schaefer would be trotting it out to justify said duck.

 

But they have nothing to do with justifying network loyalty, except to the extent that the larger your name is, the more you can escape the negative consequences of disloyalty.

You represented the situation as Golovkin's decision being justified because of what might happen in the event he loses; I merely did the same for Quillin.

So by inference they weren't as confident about Lara in the exact same situation?

And yes it was HBO suddenly wanting to use him via their approval of him as an opponent, but likely on the condition that Golden Boy has nothing to do with the promotion and the fight must air on their network. That's a sucker's deal.

Or one can conclude that network obligations exist for both and that Schaefer's bid strategy was the most neutral way of getting a fight.

 

How is the A-side (K2) putting on the card, on their partner TV network somehow a sucker deal for the B-side? Uhmm.... hello?:huh Thats pretty much how it always works, almost all of the time. Thats how business is done in boxing.

The A-side promoter gets a date for their guy. They find a B-side opponent, subject to approval of their network partner who usually has quite a bit of leverage because they are subsidizing a large portion of the purses. They then negotiate a deal with the B-side promoter to have their guy appear on their card.

Do you even realize how silly it is for a guy who does not even headline to expect a guy with a different network to give them a headline event on their friendly network turf in order to get the fight? Thats just bass-ackwards. Thats like Viktor Postol telling Danny Garcia he needs to come headline on HBO if he wants a fight. (without even winning a purse bid)

I never justified anything regarding what might happen if GGG loses, they are the ones trying to send offers and actually make the fight, and made an offer no different than the type of offers GBP sends to B-sides with other promoters to fight on their cards against their A-sides.

And you are still on the loyalty thing, when its not just loyalty but bound by contract. Cmon man.

As far as Lara goes, if he moved to 160 and beat up Quillin for his belt I have no doubt K2 would make an offer for him to fight a unification bout on HBO as well. And Schaefer would probably find a reason not to.

 

Not being the lead promoter is not equivalent to having nothing to do with the promotion at all. The latter is of course how most purse bid fights go; Lara-Martirosyan wasn't promoted by Top Rank in association with Golden Boy, but instead promoted exclusively by Top Rank. And that's how the promotion of this fight would most likely have to be as well given Hershman's utter unwillingness to do business of any kind with Golden Boy.

But of course neither Schaefer nor Quillin has ever said anything about demanding that Golovkin has to fight on Showtime or else. The suggestion was for bidding between the networks given their disparate ties and the fact that both networks would have an interest in the fight. Having more than one suitor would seem to be income-maximizing to me.

If we're playing the hypothetical game, I'll say Schaefer's reasons not to would again have something to do with HBO insisting he has nothing to do with the fight and makes not one dime aside from whatever fee K2 feels like paying him for full control. Unfortunately in the real world it appears there's little reciprocal interest in Lara at this time.

 

You are wrong once again though. In a case like this where one promoter contracts anothers fighter, if the other promoter has nothing to do with the actual promotion then they still get paid according to their purse/revenue split arrangements with their fighter but dont have to do any work.

Would HBO want to keep GBP name off the banners, and announcements? Who knows, maybe maybe not. They were present for BHops last HBO fight post-split. That does not and would not keep GBP from getting paid. Technically K2 would actually be paying GBP for the services of their fighter. HBO would be paying K2 for the card. Saying GBP would make no money or HBO could keep them from making any money on the fight is simply incorrect.

 

Qullin has the better resume..