GGG vs Quillin offer to be on HBO rejected by Quillin's team

Callouts from the GGG camp can barely be called callouts. Perhaps a response to a journalist's question here or there about fighting Quillin or some such, but Quillin, on the other hand, has been quite vocal about it, unsolicited. Lets not pretend here, GGG doesn't need Quillin. There are other, better avenues of stardom (Froch or Groves, Martinez or Cotto, Chavez, even Kessler, etc), and GGG would be the revenue and ratings for the fight, so for GBP to think they have any leverage here is stupid, and Schafer is far from stupid so it must be intentional. It's akin to pricing yourself out of a fight. You make demands that you know can't be met and then you aren't directly responsible for the fight not happening. In fact, if you're PR dept is very good, you can price yourself out of a fight and then even blame the other side for not accepting the offer and ducking you.

 

Golovkin's team is evidently only interested in moving up to 168 for an easy Chavez payday, otherwise he's a poor middleweight, so that significantly cuts down his pool of potential opponents. And you have to be ignorant of history to say Golovkin's side hasn't been calling out Quillin for ages; Sanchez has been talking just as much trash for ages and fans have lapped it up during the entirety of the period that the network cold war made the fight an impossibility.

 

Quillin's been looking worse with every fight.

 

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. He's been fighting tougher opponents. Against HNN he looked real poor at times but the knock downs saved him. Rosado showed he was tough with Golovkin so we finally seen Peter have someone who could stand and trade with him. Konecny was good enough to survive and that was his goal.

Pete's limited, but he's a legit top 10 MW. People just hyped his Wright/Brinkley/McKewan resume way more than it should've been considering the shape those guys were in.

 

Dude, if you clutch any more straws people are going to mistake your arm for a broom. Who cares how Oleg's statement read, its still a known and established fact that there is a contract between GGG and HBO. No amount of Oleg's declining to mention it in one particular statement is going to change that.

Regarding who closed the door at HBO, K2 thinks the door can be cracked somewhat for this fight. Team GGG are the ones trying to make progress here. HBO has been noncommittal, Schaefer said "ok maybe HBO send offer" then backpedaled.

I never said GBP had co promoted on HBO. Of course GBP typically doesnt co-promote anyhow, they want to be the ones running the show. Which is fine when they are the A-side but in this case, they are not.

However I did explain to you how HBO not working directly with GBP would not impact other revenue splits.

Also, I ignored it before but maybe I should point out that your case regarding Donaire-Mares was immaterial as well. First off, Donaire was the A-side, GBP was trying to get an A-side from TR. That makes it significantly different. The whole point here is that Quillin is the B-side and should have no expectation of setting terms. Second, Donaire-Mares was a case of two promoters who hate each other and do not want to work with each other. That is very different than a case where you have two neutral promoters where one has a contract with a particular TV network.

Of course TR and GBP did not want to co-promote or hash out details together. There is no similar history of hatred to suggest that K2 and GBP could not. Its apples and oranges.

Sure HBO could always scuttle the deal, but GGG did send an offer - that was scuttled by Schaefer not HBO.

 

You said they did for Hopkins-Cloud which is inaccurate since that fight came prior to the split.

It affects them if their demands are such that actual co-promotion is not an option.

A-side/B-side is again irrelevant to the applicability of Donaire-Mares. Both promoters were trying to get each other's fighters for a fee. The no co-promotion demand explicitly came from Top Rank, as did the initial step-aside fee offer.

And of course, this case is a matter of two promoters currently located at two different TV networks trying to make a fight, with one such network explicitly placing an embargo on one of the promoters in question. The neutrality of K2 is undermined by their partner's stance and puts us in a situation that is analogous to Donaire-Mares.

HBO never approved Quillin as an opponent so there was never a tangible deal to be scuttled in the first place.

 

No I said there were GBP banners and such up. It was around time of the split, I dont recall whether which announcement happened first, but it was well known GBP was on ice at HBO before it become officially official. In any case its very tangential to the topic.

There is no evidence at all to suggest K2 had any abnormal demands. Their only reported demand was fight had to be on network GGG contracted with. Had they made excessive demands in addition, it actually stands to reason that Schaefer would have cited the unreasonable demands as reason for declining in a PR move.

Again you bring up HBO "embargo" but it was not HBO that scuttled the negotiations, and K2 had been making a point for a while of trying to get HBO to accept the fight. Had there been additional demands out of the ordinary, history informs us that GBP would likely have let the world know in a PR move to paint GGG as the one pricing himself out of the fight.

K2 makes effort to ease hostilities and at least get some fight traffic between HBO/GBP & co. going again (ofc for their own reason of making a fight but still) which would be good for boxing as a sport. Its very telling that Schaefer is the one who killed it.

And yes, there was not a "deal" to be scuttled - it was technically negotiations for a fight. And... I think you are going to be in an extreme minority to think that this situation is anything close to analogous to Donaire-Mares. Which was between promoters (you know, the people who have to co-promote together), not a network and a promoter (where the network buys a fight from one promoter, who may list another promoter as co-and works out separate revenue sharing)