GGG VS Roy Jones : How many Rounds would Jones Last?

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  1. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Giving a great like Jones Jr absolutely no chance is not wise in my opinion.

    Are you going to completely ignore all of Jones' traits? And the fact that Kovalev has never really had his chin checked against a savage puncher with speed like Roy? How do you know Kovalev wouldn't respect Roy after Roy tagged him a few times? Many fighters said they would show him no respect but changed their mind after they felt his power and saw his blinding speed.

    There has to be at least a chance that Jones hurts Kovalev first.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're never going to be objective because you hate Roy. So what's the point?

    Any LHW in history would respect what Roy brought to the ring. They'd be foolish not too.

    Roy had great skills, blazing hand speed, great reflexes, great variation, and he had knockout power in either hand.

    We've seen Kov both dropped and tagged. You've got to be crazy if you think Kov and Duva would dismiss Roy.

    Roy would have been a huge threat to him. He's never seen anything like Roy.
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    That version of Hopkins was still leagues above anyone Golovkin has ever faced.

    I'm no fan of Roy, but I'm baffled that anyone thinks it inevitable that the far slower and clumsier GGG would be able to take him out at 160.

    That doesn't seem like a very likely outcome to me.

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  4. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I don't see Jones being able to do anything to Kovalev. Kovalev also has great punch variety he isn't a one armed fighter like a lot of savage punchers are. Jones NEVER fought a savage puncher like Kovalev. This guy might be P4P the most savage puncher in the sport. It is ridiculous what his punches do when he touches someone.
     
  5. Rock0052

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    We'll have to agree to disagree on Hopkins' level at the time.

    It's saying something that Proksa would've been, clearly, the best win on Hopkins' ledger going into that fight. I see GGG's resume brought up here, but honestly, it's De la Hoya caliber compared to 93 Hopkins. The seasoning wasn't close to being there and I'd pick multiple GGG opponents to run through the same string of opponents unbeaten.

    If Hopkins was that devastating, it wouldn't have taken him another 2 years to win a title after Roy and 2 cracks to beat Mercado (who floored him multiple times) and was just a fringe guy himself.

    Bernard had to learn on the job, and to his immense credit, he did it better than most due to his dedication to his craft. I respect the hell out of him for that.

    It's impossible to acknowledge that growth and still believe he was great in 93. His record and how things actually played out simply don't support that stance as being anything more than revisionist history. It also flies in the face of what Hopkins himself and those who were there firsthand had to say about his career and development.
     
  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    And timing and pressure neutralize speed- we've seen it time and time again. When you add in one punch power in either hand and an iron chin, it's not a friendly matchup for a Jones that still wasn't at his best himself.
     
  7. lepinthehood

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    Too right.
     
  8. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Roy would get Krushed of that I'm certain.
     
  9. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    So you are not going to take Roy's skills and offense into account at all?

    Kovalev has also never faced anyone like Roy Jones, you are way too closed minded when it comes to debating, and only look at what one fighter does, and completely disregard the other fighters elite skill set.

    If you don't think there is a possibility Roy's speed and power could trouble Kovalev then I really question your credibility on the subject.
     
  10. Rumsfeld

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    Fair enough, Rock. I was thinking more in terms of what I personally see/saw in terms of ability - not so much by resume, where you certainly have valid points.

    And I agree - Hopkins at 1993 was far from peak form, and he did largely learn on the job.

    But I do still genuinely believe that the 1993 version of Hopkins was far better than anyone GGG has faced - even if that version of Hopkins was less accomplished in terms of resume and experience and craft back then.
     
  11. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Jones-Hopkins was fought at a high skill level for two fighters in their first title fight. Roy got better too in my opinion.
     
  12. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Roy jones wrecks him at 160...
     
  13. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Also, Hopkins-Mercado was fought at a high elevation. I trained at sea level in wrestling and would go up to the Kenai Penensula which had a higher elevation and felt completely gone after a round of wrestling. Not making excuses; but Bernard wasn't himself in the first fight.
     
  14. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Absolutely. As you mentioned, it was Roy's first title fight too, and while he was more seasoned than Hopkins at that point, I dont consider that the peak of Jones by any stretch.
     
  15. JackTorrance

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    Soon GGG will prove himself :)