GGG's Punchstats were Padded

I didn't score it 10 rounds to 2. Don't you remember, I said I thought G won more than 2 rounds. I had it about 7-5 or 8-4 to Canelo. There are of course different Mexican styles. Not every Mexican fighter fights the same style. For Example do you consider Erik Morales the typical "Mexican style"?

I see that you changed the subject from G having padded punch stats.
In round 5, Canelo was leading punches landed 14-9 with 15 seconds left in the round, after the fight we are told G outlanded Canelo in Round 5 18-14 lol.

28 seconds left in round 10 : G's total power punches increase from 83 to 84 after a right hand clearly misses short.

27 seconds left in round 12 : G's "power punches landed this round" increases from 8 to 10 after throwing two punches, a right uppercut and a right hook both that are blocked by Canelo.

How do you explain this? Seems fishy to me.

 

Did what? Other other people also had Golovkin outlanding Canelo by even more than the compubox stats have shown. We can go on here for days. And I've rewatched it enough, GGG outlanded Canelo in round 5.

 

Not according to the on-screen HBO punch stats that were shown with 15 seconds remaining in the round. Had Alvarez with a 14-9 punches landed lead. G only threw 3 more punches for the rest of the round after they went off-screen, 1 landed, two missed. That's 10 punches landed max for G. Then we're told G landed 18 punches that round. How do you explain this?

 

I have seen the fight several times, no way did El Pollo win that fight. El Pollo was the house fighter, do you think they would pad Golovkin's punches and not their house fighter whom they wanted to win? I have seen the fight is slow motion on the Net replay, the punches were counted, Golovkin landed more punches than HBO's compubox had it.......................Paulie had it 9 rounds to 3, Jacobs had Golovkin clearly winning, Lomachenko, Kovalev, Sirenko, Gvozdyk, Bivol, Usyk, Bradly, Pac, etc., over 90%.....................I know who wins a fight when I see one...............Byrd and Bob Bennett are corrupt, so is Oscar...............

 

It seems fishy that Alvarez had a 14-9 punch stat lead in round 5 with 15 seconds to go, but then after the fight we are told G outlanded Alvarez 18-14. That's mathematically impossible. Did Loeffler pay off Compubox to increase G's punch stat #'s??

 

I've explained it on page 11. And I'll do it again: "As for the compubox there can be several reasons why the discrepancy. they might have shown it twisted and ggg was up 14 to 9, which would be reasonable from my point of view, then they've both landed some in the last 30s. Another possibility can be that they make mistakes during the punch count, take notes and correct them at the end of the round. I've seen it happen with compubox quite a few times (they've shown a twisted amount and corrected it in the end), i just can't tell you from the top of my head now which fights. And even if it is true that the 5th was padded (which i believe it wasn't), you still need to prove other rounds or majority of other rounds that were padded to make your case. 1 out 12 is not a big enough sample to make a claim, it may only serve as a reason for doing a case study." Also, one can look into Canelos punches that didn't land but were counted. It's compubox, everybody knows it's not accurate and it goes both ways. And I just don't see this as some kind of HBO conspiracy, when you have kellerman and jones jr. criticizing golovkin and scoring round based on expectations and not events that took place in the ring regardless of who should do what to the other fighter. I thought hbo staff was pulling for canelo/a draw (money talks)

 

lol wait a second, how can I prove that the other rounds or majority of other rounds were padded? They only flash the real-time punch stats a handful of times throughout the fight! There are only those select opportunities for us to check to see if the numbers given to us after the fight make sense with what was flashed during the round! You're asking me to do something that's impossible. Sure we can count punches, but that's open to human error.

The bottom line is the discrepancy in Round 5 is a enough for us to call BS. They had Alvarez up 14-9 with 15 seconds to go. If G was really up 14-9 then it woudn't have increased from 8 to 9 when G landed a punch like it did with the overlay on-screen. After the punch stats went off the screen, G only landed a single punch (and missed 2) for the remainder of the round.

As far as "It's compubox, everybody knows it's not accurate and it goes both ways", obviously not everybody knows it's not accurate because I just quoted a fan who was using Compubox as his main argument as to why Canelo couldn't win, and was citing the numbers as if they were fact. So yeah while knowledgeable folks like us know Compubox isn't accurate, the fact is that many fans use these numbers to justify who they thought won and what not. They subliminally influence fans perception of the fight. The Compubox for example were used as fuel to further the outrage over the Byrd scorecard.

 

Okay so I shouldn't trust Compubox stats but I should trust shadow111 stats?

Either way, punch stats shouldn't really be used as a sole tool of judgement in scoring a fight. With context, the stats CAN be useful but their impact disputable.

 

No, not my stats, the punch stats HBO provided on the screen during round 5 showed Canelo with a 14-9 lead in landed punches with 15 seconds left in the round. However after the fight, the final punch stats round by round stated that Triple G supposedly outlanded Canelo 18-14 in Round 5. The 14-9 Canelo lead in punches landed isn't "my" stats, they were the punches landed for that round that were shown on-screen during the bout.

 

My bad, someone on here sat through and counted all the punches themselves (or at least claimed to). Thought it was you but my mistake.

 

Just a few additional observations:

1) Compubox is a misleading term as the counting is not done by the computer. That's probably why casuals hold it in high esteem.

2) Punch stats can be a valid tool for analyzing a fight. The point is that Compubox stats aren't always reliable.

3) Compubox tends to count blocked punches and grazing punches. It's always been that way, many fights have 100s of power punches landed. Clearly if a fighter was truly hit with 100 clean power punches they'd likely get KO'ed.

4) This thread has shown that the Compubox numbers are unreliable. But we can't really say more than that, especially without going through the fight and counting them ourselves.

 

... got a gift just like everybody here said he would before the fight.

 

Gee you are really clever aren't you. Canelo "got a gift" did he? What about the gift Triple G got for that 5th round? Apparently Compubox decided to double Triple G's punches landed, is this something you don't want to talk about? "But But look at the Punch Stats, Canelo can't win" "look he only landed 4 more power punches".

We all know Triple G was lucky to get a draw in this fight. One judge had it 118-110 and he still got to keep his titles, without knocking down Canelo, without landing practically any body punches, getting out boxed round after round . . . Triple G got his punch stats padded to convince the public that he won. (weak) Where was big drama show? Canelo imposed his style and G couldn't make big drama show.

 

So I have been told.

Compubox doesn't supercede my eyes, which tell me the story pretty clearly.

I agree. I was expecting Oscar's house judges to completely screw him over.

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The Champion, GOLOVKIN, was the aggressor when he didn't need to be, he controlled the ring, he drove Canelo back and had him on the run, he threw more punches, landed more punches and outboxed him comprehensively ... Canelo wasn't able to knock him down or even hurt him and Ginger spent half of the fight exhausted on the ropes looking for a way out.

My eyes tell me he won, it's obvious.

Canelo's style:

 

Don't you mean Canelo's judges were padded?