[GIF] Baer v. Galento

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Jun 30, 2016.


  1. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    They were only at the top of the division and non stop punchers. Today's amateurs would be murdered by them. Amateur's are used to fighting on a points scoring system which doesn't take into account how hard the punch was. Baer and Galento were guys who were deadly from the opening bell and had toughness unmatched today.
     
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  2. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    The issue isn't that his right foot leaves the ground - he brings his right foot in front of his left while throwing the hook. Try throwing a hook that way and you'll notice how little weight it has behind it.

    The proper way to throw a hook is to keep your right foot firmly behind your left, while bending your left foot (and hip) at a 60-90 degree angle clockwise to get the maximum weight behind it.

    The difference in power between the two should be noticeable.
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Tyson does the same exact thing in that clip.

    His right foot goes in front of his left foot while throwing the hook, it's indisputable when you look at the clip.

    These guys are great punchers. They can do things that most people can't.
     
  4. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    No. Tysons right foot getting in front of his left is a result of him twisting his hip. Galento literally steps forward with his right foot while throwing the hook with virtually no hip movement.
     
  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Right, his back foot does come forward, like I said.

    You don't need to turn your hips to bring your back foot forward to generate power. Galento doesn't step, he pushes off the gorund, and gets lots of momentum. He doesn't need wide hip movement to generate massive power.
    https://streamable.com/hyy0
     
  6. TheOldTimer

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    This just makes you sound really stupid.
    Baer lacked skills hahaha you don't have a clue about boxing my friend he has an unorthodox style and hes often clowning in the ring. Baer had great skills you just can't see them because you can't fight.
    Anyone who boxes can see the subtle skill its unfortunate you are just unable too but the skills are there believe me.
     
  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Baer might have had "some" skills, but it's a matter of who you are going to compare him to, Micky Ward and Ricardo Mayorga (both were better technically than Baer, at that), or somebody with at least decent fundamentals.
     
  8. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    His right foot moves due to the hip movement. Either way, it may be the result of a bad camera angle, or simply an anomaly. Look at this following video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KGZwmHQjXA

    The beginning features 3 of the greatest hookers in HW history and the best examples of their power. Look at the way Patterson, Frazier and Tyson throw the hook. They twist their hips and punch with the whole body, generating most of the power. Look at how Tua throws the hook. The right foot is in most cases behind the left.

    Hip movement is absolutely essential when throwing a hook. In my native language, the hook is literally translated as "a left from the hip".

    Whether Galento leaps forward or steps forward is irrelevant. Again, try and do it yourself. Get up and leap forward with your right foot while throwing a left hook, and don't move your hips. Then do it properly. The difference should be clear to the naked eye.
     
  9. TheOldTimer

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    Ward and Mayorga were certainly not better technically.
    Back in the 60' Baer was still considered one of the top heavyweights to ever live and was quoted as being so by the likes of Jack Dempsey and Gene tunney among countless others.
    He had every punch in the book and he had a very good defense its just that he was able to be very lazy with it because his chin was made of Iron.
    The likes of Ward aren'y fit to lace the livermore larruppers boots.
     
  10. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    He's right though. Skills are a subjective term. Unorthodoxy isn't always wrong. Baer managed to tear apart Schmeling, who was one of the best pure boxers in history. When you get results like that, there must be something there.
     
  11. TheOldTimer

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    Its not a case of believing.
    You can't become a top heavyweight without having excellent skills or at least a few tangible assets that any top fighter will have i.e. extreme fitness, heavy punch ressitance, punch variety, heart, will to win, etc etc the list goes on and on and Baer has every attribute I listed there in abundance.
    If Baer had no skills he wouldn't have made Carnera look like hed walked into a championship fight from the street would he, among tens of thousands of other things you fail to see that I don't think you are worth my time in my explaining to you.
    Maybe sign up to your local gym have a few fights and you might slowly start to see things you weren't able to see before in your utter ignorance.
     
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Something tells me you don't know much about skills. Baer was as unrefined as they come. But if you disagree, why don't you school us about some of these "subtle skills" then? What are we missing?
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You seem to be conflating physical talent and fitness with skills.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Great post but you're wasting pearls on people who will dismiss them out of hand because they find the implications unflattering to certain beloved "classic boxers."
     
  15. N_ N___

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    Baer actually threw back hand punches against Schmeling. A one arm combo.
    Miss with the haymaker and follow with a backhanded slap.




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