[GIF] Carnera KO Sharkey Fake?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, Sep 27, 2020.


Fake?

  1. Sharkey was acting

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  2. It's a real KO

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You make a lot of Carnera's wrestling background, but to the best of my knowledge, he never took part in a wrestling match until 1945, after he retired from boxing.

    I think that you are barking up the wrong tree with that one!
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You and a number of other people, must be watching different footage to me!
     
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  3. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    When you start boxing, somebody is supposed to tell you not to duck by bending over, looking at the floor, because you can't see punches coming. Sharkey, like just about every single other person that has ever boxed, ignored that advice.

    On the other end of that mistake was a big, strong, well conditioned guy that had, by that time, been practicing punching people for a long time. Whether he had fixed fights in his career, or if they did what is done now and and matched him with guys that didn't intend to try, it doesn't matter. Over the years of practice and many professional rounds any human capable of learning and thinking would have developed some skill and some knowledge.
    In this case, Carnera was capable and coherent enough to see what Sharkey was about to do- duck by bending over- and he threw the correct punch, a right uppercut. It wasn't a technically perfect punch, but it was a powerful man swinging his gloved hand as hard as he could in an upward arc at a head that was descending. The trajectories intersected.
    Carnera didn't land with the knuckle portion of the glove; you can tell by his shoulder that he didn't turn the punch over. He landed, in my opinion, either with the heel of his hand or the inside of the fist.
    Sharkey decided to duck into a shot and Carnera obliged him by swinging for the fence.
     
  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    lol
     
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  5. Conn

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    Plenty of sources describe his pre-boxing career as including circus freak, strongman and carnival/circus wrestler in Italy and France.

    From a newspaper article article 1949 ("Carnera Likes The Rassling Dollars", Sacramento Union – February 16, 1949) :

    Carnera himself says:


    “I was wrestling for circus when I was 11 years old on continent and I learned the holds from the old masters of Europe,”
    he says. “But when you put it in the paper I love wrestling, please explain that I do not knock the boxing. It is just that when you reach a certain age you are too old for boxing. In wrestling you can go on to 50 or 60, like Strangler Lewis or Zbyszko.”
     
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  6. Conn

    Conn Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Full article for anyone interested :
    [url]https://classicwrestlingarticles.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/carnera-likes-the-rassling-dollars/[/url]
     
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  7. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dunno, I've seen many knockouts more dodgy than this.
    I personally don't think it's that easy to fake a knockout, unless you're a professional stuntman or something like that.
     
  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    He insulted the Saint.
     
  9. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    I just don’t see what is for debate, Sharkey collides with a fist attached to a 270lbs man he’s KO’d....
     
  10. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Bless our Preemium lord.
     
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  11. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Look in your heart and see Carnera smiling back then go forth with new fate.
     
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  12. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    He was banned for pretty much disregarding all the rules set in place by mods- he happened to be a cranky guy who didn’t quite get the internet and felt actually threatened whenever Grain asked him to simply chill.

    However I miss him, he was a good poster with a good sense of humour.
     
  13. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Ah, No not under his original account anyways. If he did return us loyal Carnera supports would have to crucify him so it’s for his own good anyway.
     
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  14. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Well yes that was the official result. From what I understand the people who fixed fights don't come out and tell the public (we're fixing this fight. Sharkey is gonna let Primo win so we can cash in) their crafty.
     
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  15. janitor

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    OK so he might have had a couple of early wrestling bouts, but he was a nobody on the local circuit.

    He was not involved in it on any sort of organized level, until the 1940s.

    Again you are barking up the wrong tree with this.