[GIF] Carnera KO Sharkey Fake?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, Sep 27, 2020.


Fake?

  1. Sharkey was acting

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  2. It's a real KO

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The only times I have seen the heel of the hand used in street fights was by guys who knew what they were doing,its generally employed as a straight up rising blow to the bottom of them nose to break it.No way in the world can a heel of a hand inside a boxing glove generate the power of a clenched fist the main reason being the way the human arm is constructed.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Which are the 16 times Sharkey was down?
    Suspect chin? Schmeling failed to floor him in 2 fights?
    Sharkey beat
    Wills
    Godfrey
    Rojas
    Dekuh
    Stribling
    Christner
    Scott
    Maloney
    Delaney
    Montgomery
    Risko
    Renault
    Gorman
    In 53 fights he was stopped 4 times one of them was by Dempsey one by Louis when he was washed up once by Rojas when he was a kid.
     
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  3. janitor

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    I don't think that even the most brazen gangster of the era would have dared to threaten the heavyweight champion.

    If Sharkey had picked up the phone to law enforcement, it would have been game over for whoever did it.
     
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  4. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I find the idea of Sharkey looking for an opportune exit more realistic than his own explanation of him having seen the ghost of Ernie Schaaf, in the moments before Carnera swung his arm like a pendulum.
     
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  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Sharkey tried to make it look good. He overdid it though. Had there not been Carnera's Mob Controlled association it may have flown under the radar. Sharkey was a bit of a flake in general but I feel sorry for him on this. He had to live with that. The man probably had no choice.
    Jack Sharkey could fight. He was a good, talented boxer.
     
  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Problem is that were most likely talking about Organized crime. The Mafia was very powerful then.
    These were not street punks. They fixed fights. They controlled boxers through the Managers Guild. They tampered with Jurors. Rigged Elections.
    They were crafty. Sharkey would have been calling law enforcement possibly on the payroll.
    They had Hoover under control. JEd was going along pretending the Mafia didnt exist until 1957 when he was embarrassed.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    It very possibly would have been game over for his kids.
    Sam Silverman who promoted most of Marciano's early fights had a bomb thrown into his basement,a few days later someone fired a shot through his kitchen window where his wife was preparing food.
    A little later he was hit over the head with a piece of lead pipe,and left the game

    Ray Arcel also got a lead pipe over his head, he promptly retired


    Why didn't both of them just call the cops if that's all it took? Do you think these people leave their name and addresses when they make these threats?

    Thomas Myler and Terry Leigh Lye both covered Sharkey breaking camp and racing back to his home in their respective books.
    Sonny Liston had a pistol held to the back of his head once. I think you have a very naive and inflated idea about the supposed invulnerability of boxers ,heavyweight champions included.
     
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  8. Seamus

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    You aren't really that naïve, are you?
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  9. mcvey

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    Apparently so!
     
  10. janitor

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    Somebody is being naïve, and I suspect that it is not me!
     
  11. janitor

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    This was a year after the kidnaping of Charles Lindbergh's child.

    If the FBI had found out that somebody had made threats against the children of the Heavyweight Champion, they would have made the elimination of that party their number one priority.

    Anybody minded to do so, would have understood this.

    I think it is highly unlikely that even Carnera's handlers, would have dared to do such a thing.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    " I didnt see the punch but sure smelled it"."Sharkey after failing to exert himself to any great extent in the first 5 rounds,suddenly folded up in the 6th and made little if any attempt to keep Carnera off,as he did in the preceding rounds".Murray Lewin New York Mirror.
    "Nothing will convince me that it was an honest prize fight,contested on it's merits."
    Paul Gallico New York Daily News.
    "The punch didnt seem sufficient to cause the damage it was purported to cause" .
    Westbrook Pegler Chicago Tribune.
    Leon See Carnera's manager revealed,that whenCarnera was matched with Leon Sebillo in Paris ,for a 1000 francs,he gave Sebillo 500 francs out of his own pocket to leave himself open to a punch. See said at least 28 of Primo's fights up to the end of 1930 were fixed.For Primo's second fight with Joe Thomas See gave half of Carnera's purse of 3000 francs to Thomas to take it easy and go down in the 3rd.
    See said Carnera's first straight fight was with Franz Diener who hooked him in the groin,Carnera went down but the referee did not DSQ him,instead he gave the giant an additional 5 minutes rest Carnera still refused to continue and he was himself DSQ'd and his purse held.
    The two Stribling fights followed a script ,Stribling landing a soft right to Carnera's groin t and being slung out.
    In the rematch Carnera hit Stribling after the bell and backhanded the referee and was chucked out. In the US Big Boy Peterson took a dive when just over a minute had elapsed.Elzear Rioux followed suit next.Rioux's purse was confiscated and he was fined $1000 for play acting unbecoming a fighter.
    And so on and so on.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Where would they start looking? lol

    Are you saying these two authors are lying?
    NB it took 3 months for the Lindbergh baby to even be found ,dead BTW, and the only way the FBI got on the trail was because of the ransom note,and its still conjectured that the wrong guy was caught .The MOB don't leave ransom notes, it would be an anonymous threatening phone call , that's it!
     
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  14. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The managers guild didnt exist when this fight took place.
     
  15. Seamus

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    Dude. Quit while you're ahead... Or not so far behind.

    Calling law enforcement on the mob in that era would expedite one's demise precipitously. You obviously have little understanding regarding the comprehensive infiltration of the mob in every facet and institution of the US at that time.

    Here's a good place to start... https://bookoutlet.com/Store/Detail...za28WXQI_kPEegEwjrpwEtAMGD0hhZXwaAjfqEALw_wcB
     
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