[GIF] Joe Louis sparring for Walcott

Louis still could wack in 47

 

But not in 51.

 

he put agramante on his ass with a great right hand in 1951

 

But in two fights he couldn't keep him there.Do you think Agramonte would go the distance with a prime Louis?

 

no i think a prime pre war joe Louis murders Agramante much much quicker. post war Joe Louis was still a very good world class fighter but not the same force. his post war opponents were actually very solid level of foes. mauriello, walcott, charles, (the "on the level" exhibitions with valentino and shkor) savold, bivins, brion and agramante. if he wasnt called joe Louis people would still rate the guy in those fights a world class fighter.

 

But no longer a world class puncher, which is my point. Louis said the last time he had full power was against Mauriello1946, and he called it his last good fight too.
he didn't "murder Agramonte anyway ,be it fast or slow , he decisioned him twice.Walcott had stopped him the previous year.
Here is Agramonte v Walcott in 1951.

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Old Louis was a world class puncher knocking out Mauriello, Wallcott, valentino, Savold, Andy Waker and Freddie Beshore. Bivins ran.

I dont think we can hold it too much against Louis for not knocking out cesar Brion. Cesar took all the top guys the full course beat a good few of them and was very tough. Until the last year of his career nobody stopped Brion. And Brion held his own with Layne, Lastarza, Baker, Norkus, Charles. He even knocked out Reynolds and Mauriello. Yet Louis handed Brion quite a beating in their rematch.

The Associated Press reported: "A crowd of approximately 12,000 paid $66,525 to see Louis batter the game South American all over the ring in the closing rounds. Brion stood up under punishment that would have flattened many a fighter. He was groggy from the seventh through the tenth. His face was puffed and blood flowed from cuts on the side of each eye. It was Louis’ second 10-round win over Brion. This one was far more decisive than their melee in Chicago last November." [1]

 

I'm talking about 1951, which was my original statement.

"But not in 51"

Brion was very durable only stopped once.

 

Joe Louis won 7 fights in 1951 and still scored three inside the distance wins that included knockdowns a knockout and two TKOs. His opponents were top level.

 

Bivins went the distance without touching down ,Archie Moore had stopped him 6 months earlier.
Beshore was stopped with a cut eye, full of fight he hadn't been ranked since 48 and had lost his last 4 fights.. Brion went the distance .Agramonte went the distance twice. Walker was stopped on a tko ,he was a journeyman . Savold was nearly as old as Louis.,Agramonte was not top level.Brion was not ranked when Louis beat him.
I'll take Louis' estimation of his abilities and his results over your spin .

 

Obviously Joe recognised he was not the same fighter because he wasn't. However, by any standard, even joes run of 1951 wins was still executed by a World class hard hitting fighter.

Bivins simply ran.

The 1951 Savold Knock Out was still a big deal. Louis stopped Beshore and Walker. You can't do better than that.

Tommy Farr was knocked out by six other men. Joe Louis did not knock everybody out. He still improved with his rematch of Agramante by knocking him down for a 9 count. Years later Agramante took Cleveland Big cat Williams the distance. He was tough!

The Brion rematch was an impressive performance by any standard. Good pace, good accuracy lots of hard shots. The press stated it would have flattened many Heavyweights. Film showed Louis actually handled Brion better than Charles did.

It is not spin to say that.

 

Still hit hard enough in 51

 

Yes, Louis was still fighting top men and knocking contenders out n 1951, so you can't do much better.

People say Shannon Biggs is still a puncher because he is racking up wins over fall guys but it fools nobody who understands boxing, Briggs would not dent a contender. Well, Louis was knocking out contenders like Savold.

 

I was born in 1951...it's been mentioned a bit here so I thought I'd just throw
that fact out there.