[GIF] Marciano punching Ezzard Charles (Good quality)

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I definitely wouldn't say that.
    He's avoiding a few punches by slipping and weaving, and trying to stay composed against a guy trying to tear his head off.
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Charles looks finished there. What round was it?
     
  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He looked plenty hurt in that clip. And he looked like he kept getting plenty hurt.

    My point was simply, instead of oohing over Marciano in that clip, look what the other guy was doing in the clip. Which was nothing.

    It's not like Rocky slipped 14 of Charles' shots to land 14 of his own. You're basically watching Rocky hit the heavy bag hanging on a chain.
     
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  4. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    What about arm fatigue? From punching. And also from Marciano punching his arms?
    And you actually still have a defensive options if your hand are low. You can still block, parry, use your shoulder, roll with the punch, etc.
    By throwing punches, you are always opening yourself up.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    What you are criticising here is a tired and courageous man in the 15th round. and still Charles is riding most of these shots that land and staying mostly on the end of the shot. In fact Charles is doing a good job of making Rocky over reach to land these blows.

    In fact, Ezzards movement looks about as energetic as the effort Rocky is putting into these punches.

    Charles is knocked one way then having to react to the next punch and the one after that then the next and so on... yes he's getting hit but this is right at the end of the fight.

    In Saying he's standing there with both hands down is not understanding the sequence at all. If it was as simple as that then Rocky would punch straight through him, there would be no need for a follow up or a sequence to view.

    Charles has his right hand up and his left shoulder up. From this angle he can turn side to side..and if he had the time, pivot return blows (as he did in the rest of the fight) using the steam from these side to side turns without drawing back to punch.

    The idea of the low left is that the shoulder replaces a hand guard. The left handed blows then come up from below the opponents eye level and can be used as a lure or measure. It's more sophisticated than simply inviting blows onto an unprotected chin. The chin is protected!
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great work again Rez...but don't worry talking sense to the "expert" Dubbledumb....he knows better....there's NO excuse for a fighter being too hurt to execute.....why, Charles was just a no talent bum, that's all.
     
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  7. reznick

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    I think the criticism is obscure.

    Charles does defend himself.
    Defending a 10 punch attack before returning punches is not all too uncommon. It happens.

    I also don't think the opponent has to do something specific defensively in order for a fighter to look impressive.
     
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  8. Subak

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    Lol at "he should have kept his hands up!". Totally ridiculous, it's like, wtf are you watching? Charles kept his right to his chin when it was appropriate to do so, caught the left hook successfully at times, and was trying to roll Marcano's right hand off his shoulder, successfully at times, which is what most fighters would end up doing in that situation considering he's obviously very fatigued and possibly hurt too. Charles also DID try and get in close, and he DID try to step out and away but Marciano was after him and shucking him off with big punches.
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    His chin is protected? Are you kidding me? Marciano threw roughly 14 punches in that brief clip, and by my count he hit Charles in the head or chin nine times. Flush.

    And he landed so much because Charles' HANDS WERE DOWN, Charles was in the punching range of the shortest-armed heavyweight champ ever ... and Charles was throwing NOTHING back.

    He wasn't protecting himself at all. He could've held his gloves up by his face. He could've PUNCHED BACK. He could've moved around Marciano or stepped out of his range ... OR CLINCHED.

    He is doing absolutely NOTHING in that clip but take shots.

    It's a nice clip if you want to watch Rocky beat someone up. I agree. But to me it's like watching Ray Mercer beat the crap out of Tommy Morrison when he stopped him. It's not like Mercer was displaying any special skills. He was just bombing away in that sequence at a guy not fighting back.

    if people are going to marvel at Rocky's "skills" in that clip, look at what's coming back. Which is nothing.

    It's not like the last round of Holmes and Norton or Ali and Spinks 1, where both guys were throwing and landing and showing defense and offense.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If a guy lands 70 percent of his punches on you in a clip, and you throw and land zero, that's not a display of defense. It's a display of you getting pummeled and offering nothing in return.

    That's my point.
     
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  11. Subak

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    No, your emphasis on his hand placement is completely stupid. It wouldn't have helped him. There's a reason that the best defensive fighters don't shell up with both hands by their chin, but prefer the maneuverability and visibility provided by keeping a lower tucked in left hand and raised shoulder. There's nothing to criticize Charles much for considering the situation he was in.
     
  12. reznick

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    To me this is a clip of Rocky landing awesome punches on a hurt and worn down Ezzard Charles.
    I happened to find this short clip in this really good quality and wanted to share it, because you get to see Rocky with more clarity.

    The pretense you're rallying against is completely imagined up by you.
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    Yes, if you're in the ring with the shortest-armed heavyweight champ ever, and you stand in front him, in punching range with your HANDS DOWN, it doesn't matter.

    You're the moron.

    I think the clip is fine. But if people want to use it to talk about how skillful Marciano was, I'm sure they could find clips where someone is actually fighting back to do so. That's all.
     
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  14. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    It shows how effective Marciano was to be able to wear Charles down to that point.
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    I like the clip. I like all the clips you post. The comments that followed praising Rocky's skills on display is what prompted me to comment.

    He's punching a guy with his hands down who is not fighting back. It's a nice clean clip of Rocky beating Charles up. When people start going on about the skills on display there, I just pointed out to focus on the opponent, who is offering next to nothing.