[GIF] Marciano punching Ezzard Charles (Good quality)

Look at this newb with his hands down! http://i44.tinypic.com/6jhpp2.png

You're trying to backtrack and change your point now, talking about having his hands down when he's rolling his shoulder and catching shows with his right glove shows you really have very little understanding of actual boxing technique.

Breaking it all down, the first punch that Marciano lands with the right hand, Charles half-rolls it but still partially clips the top of his head. On that angle, having his left hand raised wouldn't have helped much. He manages a couple steps to Marciano's blind-side, Marciano comes back with a left hook which Charles catches on his right hand glove. He ends up crouching forward, which is a defensive posture to take away that space but still be able to pop back out easily, and leaning in close with Marciano throwing uppercuts, obviously having his hands up to his head doesn't matter here becomes the punches are coming up through the middle. Blocks some, likely hit too, takes away the crouch and moves laterally to escape. Marciano throws a left hook, again Charles catches it on his right hand and ends up leaning in, Marciano steps back and throws a left hand. Charles has his right hand pinned to his chin and the left hook still slips through. They come in close, Charles tries to break away again, Marciano misses with a left hook when Charles leans away from it (Charles has his right hand glove pinned to his chin here as he of course saw the left hook coming). Ends up close, weak fatigued attempt at a clinch from someone clearly physically overwhelmed, gets hit with an uppercut. Again, having hands up doesn't help someone block an uppercut. The rest of the video, he ends up rolling some shots off his shoulder, getting half clipped sometimes.

Where exactly would having his hands up have helped?

 

nobody would suggest Rocky isn't crude here, I think the interest here is in how Rocky is generating full force and using his momentum on the follow up. He is reaching Charles here using cave man blows that should not really land. It's the last round and he is "leaving it in the ring". All that training, all that sacrifice. He's using it all up in the most unsophisticated way..and yet there is an interest in studying how he does it. How he lands. How one punch proceeds the next, the order of it. It is a good peice of film.

 

he was. Right hand up. Left shoulder covers his chin.

if he held both hands over his face he can't see what is coming. He can't return a punch without repositioning himself. Where his hands are he can turn and return. Block and return. He is poised to punch and evade. But the guy us tired and under pressure. So he rolls with the blows.

if he had time.

he wasn't just standing there "hands down". This is not surrender! There is no quit in Ezzard. If you are breathing your winning. Sometimes there isn't enough in the tank to do what you can, as fast as you can. The compromise is riding the blow, staying in range in case there is an opening. Charles is shielding stuff,sliding and rolling with the blows. Earlier on in the fight he had more in him to do more things.

he can clinch but to do so he has to stop and fall into him. Rocky is knocking him sideways here and Charles cannot respond in time to do anything other than what he has the time to do here. His instinct, in fact Charles is on instinct here, tells him to do what he is doing.

 

Thanks.

 

Seriously?

Did you ever seen a boxer do this when in range of a short-armed puncher?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k0eXwB6mdeQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Did you ever see a boxer maintain the proper distance against a short-armed puncher?
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos...one-bramble-during-the-at-picture-id164130634

Did you ever see a boxer land on the outside against short-armed puncher?
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos...ivingstone-bramble-during-picture-id164130618

They are basics in boxing.

What you don't do is what you see Charles doing in that clip - stand in front of a short-armed puncher, in the short-armed guy's punching range, with your hands down, throwing nothing back.

OF COURSE hand placement matters. Keeping his hands down, in Marciano's punching range, and not throwing back certainly didn't "WIN THE EXCHANGE" for Ezzard in the clip Reznick posted. On the contrary, doing that got Charles' butt kicked in the clip.

If Charles had held his hands up on the inside, got out of range and actually threw punches on the outside in that clip, I'm sure he'd have done a little better in the clip than just absorbing blows. It's not freaking brain surgery.

 

Let’s start with the obvious question of what round this was?

If it was one of the later rounds, it would have very different implications from it being one of the earlier rounds!

 

If he was right, Charles wouldn't have eaten basically everything Marciano threw in that clip. Nothing was protected. How could you watch that clip and say Charles was showing a good defense. He got hit with basically everything from a guy throwing the same two basic punches 13 or 14 times.

Watch Bramble-Mancini 1 for the textbook example of how you fight a shorter, aggressive fighter if you yourself want to be aggressive and not run all night.

 

I'm not saying Charles didn't do the right things earlier. I'm not saying he wasn't tired. It's a great clip of Marciano beating up Charles.

But it's not some great display of Marciano's skills. He's throwing hooking rights and hooking lefts against a guy with his hands down, in punching range, throwing nothing back.

It's not a display of skills. It's just a nice clip of Marciano pounding Charles. That's all.

On the contrary, anyone who thinks Charles is showing some awesome defense is high. He's getting pummeled and doing essentially nothing to stop it. There are basic things he could've done to not get pummeled like that, which I've stated above.

It's not a clip of Charles' AWESOME defense. Let's put it that way.

 

Did Marciano not have to fight the pervious rounds?

 

I am 100% serious that you've never boxed a day in your life, certainly never competed.

There is actually more than one way to defend yourself in boxing, fyi.

Do you understand how rolling a shoulder works to deflect blows? How that gives greater visibility? Do you get that your left hand needs to be low to do that?

The only punches he took on the inside were uppercuts. Can you explain to me how holding one's hands up prevents uppercuts? Your hand placement ends up towards your chest and underneath your chin to do that. Charles did that. It's nothing at all like in any guards from the images you posted. Saying how it would have been better if he was on the outside and landing punches etc is like saying it would have been better if he was winning. It's the internet equivalent of the guy who yells "just hit him!" at ringside.

No one is saying it's an awesome display of defense, but it's a million miles from your critique and totally understandable considering the lateness of the fight and the onslaught from Marciano.

E.g:

Block: http://i.cubeupload.com/In6ZYG.jpg
Block: http://i.cubeupload.com/0QJbvc.jpg
Right glove is up to block, left hook still gets through: http://i.cubeupload.com/toIXXD.jpg
etc
Wait.. I thought you said he didn't hold his gloves up to block?

And what is this exactly if not a defensive posture? http://i.cubeupload.com/SCmEBG.jpg
http://i.cubeupload.com/PDhNBD.jpg
etc

You should probably slow it down and watch frame by frame to see what is actually going on vs. what you've convinced yourself.

 

I boxed in the Silver Gloves (15 and under) and I finished second in the state of Illinois in 1980. So, f*ck you. (I'm sure quite a few people here have boxed. I just don't bring it up every five minutes like some do.)

And second, what am I going to slow down and watch, exactly? Charles getting punched in the head in slow motion?

Charles' "shoulder roll" blocked how many shots in that clip compared to how many that landed on his skull?

Using a shoulder roll, in most cases, still involves you getting punched in the side of the head, you're just allowing the punch to hit your shoulder first, taking much of the pop off of it.

And just because Floyd Mayweather used a shoulder roll against a bunch of 130 and 140 pounders who were no bigger than a teenage girl is one thing.

Standing in front of one of the hardest punching heavyweight champions ever, in his punching distance, and trying to "shoulder roll" gets your head caved in ... like Ezzard Charles "expertly" demonstrated in that clip where Marciano beats the crap out of him.

THE WAY to fight a shorter banger is NOT TO DROP YOUR HANDS AND STAND IN RANGE OF HIS PUNCHES AND TRY TO SHOULDER ROLL ... while THROWING NOTHING BACK.

I haven't boxed since I was 15, and I'm 52 now, but letting a guy unload punches on you while you throw nothing back seems kind of a "flawed defense." Especially at heavyweight, where guys are much bigger and hit much harder than anyone "Floyd" faced.

If you're standing in punching distance of a shorter banger, and use that cross-armed defense, and try to use the shoulder roll to pick off punches ... you end up like Norton against Shavers and Foreman in the rounds (like the third and seventh) where Holyfield just unloaded the hell on him.

It's a terrible defense at heavyweight because nearly everything gets through.

At heavyweight, shoulder rolling in punching range of a short banger is a death wish. It's a stupid idea ... as, again, Charles "expertly" showed us in that clip.

Hell, if he'd even used the cross-arm defense in that clip, he might have blocked a few more. But he didn't even do that.

I'm sure Charles did other things in those two meetings that allowed him to do better than he did in that clip - like keeping out of Rocky's punching distance, and punching from the outside and holding his hands up ... none of which he did in that clip.

But anyone trying to claim Charles is showing anything but a terrible defense in that clip doesn't know what they're talking about. It's a clip of Marciano beating him up, and Charles offering no offense and next no defense in response.

Charles is doing everything wrong in that clip, by EVERY measure.

 

You seem really upset, and it certainly wasn't my intention to get you so riled up and emotional. Maybe that's why you're having such a hard time understanding what's going on? You should watch it back when you're calm.