[GIF] Marciano v. LaStarza

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Or good?
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Then I'm not sure that I understand the relevance of your original comment.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Harsh but fair.
     
  4. reznick

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    Makes more sense than bad.
     
  5. reznick

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    Curious
    Do you think Rocky has no head movement in that clip?
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I mean, he certainly showed some basic reactive head movement--like when he was trying to slip LaStarza's jabs or react to his feints. But otherwise he mostly just advanced with his slow, short steps with his head basically in a straight line.
     
  7. reznick

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    Head in a straight line?
    Can you find a moment in that 50 second clip where Rocky goes 3 seconds without moving his head?

    What a harsh judgement of Rocky lmao. The guys moves his head like a machine and they say he doesn't have head or they make it sound bad.

    I'm sure as hell not seeing him slip and weave 30 times in 50 seconds through rose colored glasses.

    I think I understand now. He's suffering for not being like Tyson. I mean he wasn't one of Cus Damatos fighters so what do you expect? There's more than one style for a heavy hitting small hw.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Since you mention Tyson ,given that Lastarza won 4 of the first 6 rds of that fight, how many do you think he would win against Mike? Do you even think Lastarza would still be there in the 6th rd?
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    The over-under for Tyson-LaStarza would probably be 150 seconds.
     
  10. reznick

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    I think Mike would totally get him out before the 6th. His style was specialized for early knockouts.
    Do you think Tillis would've lasted the distance with Rocky?
     
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  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    No, this post and your original (borderline-fan-fiction) description of the action suggest that you don't really understand. Crouching and weaving at the end of a taller opponent's jab while remaining firmly outside of your effective punching range is all well and good but there's a lot more to having "good head movement." Short boxers who have good head movement and footwork can use it to get to the desired punching range without lunging or putting themselves out of position (and leaving themselves vulnerable to return fire). Marciano is unable to do so against a pretty basic adversary, and has to resort to awkward lunges and rushes to close the distance. His inability to do is the reason he lost several rounds in this fight and raises real questions about what kind of difficulties he might have against even bigger, longer, stronger, harder-hitting, more mobile, and more athletic heavyweights who could stick-move-and-tie-up even more effectively than LaStarza.
     
  12. Reason123

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    I don't really see any awackard lunging there. Marciano is stalking but seems pretty conservative here.
     
  13. reznick

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    Terrible breakdown. I'm convinced as ever that you don't know what you're talking about.
    Show me a single moment in that clip where Rocky awkwardly "lunges."

    You can call my breakdown fan fiction (even though I gave you an honest answer to your thread), but it's accurate.
    Your breakdown is wrong and dumb.
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    As is often the case, your breakdown was ridiculous. You've proven time and time again that this just isn't your strong suit--you're much too much of a cheerleader and you still seem not to appreciate the logic and principles of boxing fundamentals and sound technique. You not only seem unable to acknoweldge the flaws, limitations, and blunders of various "ATG" heavyweights--you often confuse them for strengths.

    I recall several moments in the clip where Marciano either threw wide, naked hooks from questionable distance or got himself out of position while trying to advance straight in (in some instances, head first). The most awkward moment is around half a minute in.
     
  15. reznick

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    Where in that gif does he throw a "wide naked hook" that gets him out of position?

    And you call this an awkward lunge?
    https://streamable.com/ro15e

    That's a missed right to the body he follows up on by closing the distance with a left.
    That's not an awkward lunge, and he is perfectly balanced the whole time.
     
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