[GIF] Monzon - Tonna ko...dirty punch?

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Nonsense. You act as if this all happened in slow motion and not the split second that it actually played out.
     
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  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Don't be ridiculous. You've never seen a boxer start to throw a punch and then pull it when they were already further along than Monzon was there? You act like his punch was some heat-seeking missle that was already locked in on the coordinates where Tonna happened to place his brain stem. Terrible coincidence, eh? World class boxers like Monzon have much better reflexes, hand-eye coordination, and body control than you seem to be letting on here.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Sorry but,"much ado about nothing".
     
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  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, an interesting study in motivated reasoning, I guess.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    That's probably right. Monzon had taken over the fight and was going to win anyway, but it just so happened that the "knockout" blow was an illegal punch thrown to the back of Tonna's head. It is what it is. Don't know why so many people insist on making excuses for the punch though.
     
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  6. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If you honestly believe this prattle what is your point? Should Monzon have been DQd in a fight he was winning handily in which the opponent fouled numerous times because you think Monzon fouled? Its a pointless exercise in futility to try to play devils advocate on this subject because even if you believe it was a blatant intentional foul it was Tonna who chose to take the fight into the gutter throughout, not Monzon, who actually showed a great deal of restraint in not paying Tonna in kind. Should Tonna have been given time to recover? They tried that against Valdez when he did the exact same thing and he made it clear he was done fighting. Do you want to speculate that Tonna would have beaten Monzon or worn him down without the foul. Hardly. It was Tonna who was breaking down, clinching, and resorting to fouls because as a C class opponent he was nowhere near able to get to Monzon. So again, your point? Tonna was a front running moron who showed throughout his career that if you stood up to him man to man and didnt cave he would quit, try to foul out, or turn passive. It happened in every one of his losses and some of his wins.
     
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  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I don't understand why this is so difficult for a man with your experience covering the sport. Maybe your loathing of Tonna is clouding your judgment? To answer your questions: Yes, of course Tonna should have been given time to recover! Is this a trick question? If he couldn't continue (or insisted on pretending that he couldn't), it would raise a difficult judgment call. A no contest ruling would have been appropriate, at the very least, imo. Not an injustice but the ref got it wrong (and you did too, if you honestly believe the blow to the back of the head was the unavoidable result of Tonna turning at an inopportune moment, as you suggested above).
     
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  8. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good point mrkool!
    I remember Ingo in the first Patterson fight hitting on the back of the head. In the rematch?...Floyd landed and had Ingo's back turned and?...turned him around to land a shot face to face.
     
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  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What other fights have ended with uncalled fouls?

    Duran-Buchanan?
    Ward-Kovalev II?
     
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  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tonna was expert in doing this. He was a Euro-quitter.
     
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