[GIF] Sam Langford shows a little boxing skill

I had the same reaction!

 

So you also believe that Langford was unskilled brawler who didn't know how to box? Do you also believe that Langford was worse than Willie Driver?

 

Well you haven't convinced Ras Al Gooley! Which,come to think of it, is encouraging!

 

What do either of those questions have to do with my comment?

 

You like every single Pat M post, including the ones I'm talking about. That's why I'm asking.

 

I don't like every single post from Pat M or anyone else. Please show me where I liked the posts you're referring to and I'll explain why I liked them. Seems a bit off-topic though.

 

https://streamable.com/omju3 (this is all anybody needs to see and read to understand that 70sfan is cluelsss, he posted this as an example of a good jab by Corbett)
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/closest-stylically-hw-to-ali-before-ali.632739/page-2

70sfan865, One look at that Corbett video and your using it as an example of a good jab/combination is all I need to know about your knowledge of boxing. You remind me of Arthur Spooner on the old sitcom, King of Queens, clueless about the subject but always ready to give an opinion. He is always good for a laugh too.

 

Said someone who believes that Willie Driver was better fighter than Langford and that he threw "straighter punches".

I've never said I'm a boxing expert. In fact I am not, far from it. I'm much more into basketball than boxing. I'm not the one who believes that can train amateurs to beat Harry Greb or Rocky Marciano though either though. Which one of us is funnier?

 

I have to admit that I've mistaken you with another poster. My apologies, I didn't want to attack you. I was just pissed of by Pat M.

I know that you think that reznick's clips are weak arguments but I think that reznick has a point here. Not long ago people said that Langford couldn't box at all in "modern" way. He simply found an example of "modern" technique in his fight against Jeanette and decided to post it here for curious fans. I doubt that it was supposed to prove that Langford is ATG, that's silly. It simply showes that he was capable of doing things boxers does nowadays - because many posters here have doubts.

BTW, this is not something completely rare for Langford. He did things like that consistently, he simply fought well. It's not an exception of how he fought, it's nothing significant from him.

 

How so? What do you mean by this?

 

That he could fight in a number of ways and didn't have any big weakness (outside of height against big HWs). That doesn't mean that he's the best, but given the variety of competition and styles he faced in his career, he proved that he was very efficient offensively.

He could overwhelm you, outbox you, counter you, stalk you. Basically anything you can think of. Again, it doesn't mean he's the best but he's extremely versatile fighter. Nobody is perfect and he wasn't either, but he was very effective.

 

Not the most importanr thing, but as a sidenote - I never used this clip as an example of Corbett's jab. You can read the thread Pat M posted, I used different examples.

Please, if you want to lie, don't discuss with me. I'd rather talk with people who wants to discuss in polite way.

 

Ok then. I'll clarify my views on Langford. I actually like him and I think that he had a lot of natural talent. Seemed to have great explosiveness, sense of distance, and the kind of innate slipperiness that even the best trainers probably can't really teach. I probably differ with Pat in that I think that those traits would probably enable Langford to overwhelm and beat plenty of fighters with better technique and fundamentals but less physical talent. And I think Langford very well might have been a highly formidable fighter in the modern era (against fighters his own weight) if he came along decades later and was brought up by a quality trainer. But fighting how he actually fought, I think he would have a very hard time against modern world-class pros, due to the evolution of the sport. And I think plenty of fairly ordinary modern heavyweights would have punished him or easily outpointed him because of the advances in technique and strategy.

 

Great stuff !!
The colorized film sometimes doesnt help the clarity but this time it has !!!!

 

Good points, but to be fair, I don't understand why Langford is constantly debated as a heavyweight. He's much more suited to be a modern light heavy at his best, or maybe even lower.