Gil Clancy on Foreman

Interesting stuff!:good

 

I have no doubt that Foreman at age 41 was a better skilled man than he was at age 25.......... No doubt whatsoever......

YES! Foreman at age 40 learned how to relax in the ring. His stamina was nuch better..

Foreman also matured and learned to listen to his coaches like Charlie Shipes, Archie Moore and Angelo Dundee late in his career.....

Simply put, Foreman was a better man at age 40....... BUT! At age 25, Foreman was ripped and buffed.... Still, looks aren't everything..... Early on, Foreman's skills were very basic..... Plus, the younger version of Foreman was a wild and wide puncher; he never threw sharp, crisp shots as a youth......

YES! Foreman at age 40 was better......

MR.BILL:deal

 

Not all true there, Bokaj...........

Yes..... Foreman had lost speed, but gained size with age.......

Foreman's power was still there at ages 38 to 45.........

Foreman's power and speed really faltered going into his defense against Axel Schulz in 1995 when Foreman was age 46............ That was the real beginning of his physical decline..........

At first, I thought Foreman was faded / shot after he moved like a snail against Tommy Morrison at age 44 in 1993, but that was not the case since he roared back to KO Mike Moorer for the title in 1994.......

1995 and beyond was Foreman's decline of skills in the ring...... YET! He still had enough at age 48 and a soft 260 pounds to beat Shannon Briggs on the fans' scorecards.......... Screw the three blind mice who scored at ringside........

MR.BILL:hat

 

Bok,

The "Arm" shots stem from day one............ Not even "Shipes, Moore or Dundee" could get that truly fixed with Foreman.........

I believe that Foreman was physically stronger at age 40 and 255 + or - pounds then he was at age 25 and 220 pounds...... His power was there at age 40, but his speed was in decline....... Speed is also power--to a degree....... Yet, if the 40 year old Foreman landed a bomb, you were hurt or out......... Just ask "Cooney" or "Addy Rodrigues" from 1990......

MR.BILLthumbsup:hat

 

Valuev, with his size, is clearly the better puncher than all three of those guys. Notice he only has to throw a few punches a fight. That's all it takes. Clancy is clearly prejudiced against mother Russia.

 

Well, here is something Gil did with George that really was bad. In an effort to shorten up George's hooks he brought his legs closer together. This is why George's uppercuts started to go sideways instead of the perfect angle we saw in the Frazier fight. The other problem this created, and you saw it in the Young bout, was that George now jabbed without stepping into it, as with Norton. They looked nice but had nothing behind them anymore. This also was because his legs were now too close together. When he did go after Young, if you watched you saw a strange akwardness involved and this was because his weight was so unbalanced because of this. Gil was truely a great trainer, but he really goofed with George tech. wise.

 

Give me a break,

Foreman at age 40 was badly beaten up and outboxed by Alex Stewart, was given a gift against Axel Shulz, and was shutout by glass jaw morrison.


Foreman of 1973 knocks those 3 men out in 1-2 rounds apiece.

 

yeah Foreman 73-74 is probably the better fighter but it depends who hes fighting. The Foreman from 91' would've probably done better against Ali of 74.
And the 73-74 Foreman would probably beat Morrison and briggs and the other guys that he lost to in his comeback. It's styles, his calmer style works better against certain fighters, for example he would have done better against Young in this version imo.

 

For the record, Foreman was in **** poor shape at 259 soft pounds in 1992 for his fight with Alex Stewart.... Foreman admitted later on that his training was lax for Stewart...... And Foreman was age 43 in April, 1992.......

The 42 year old Foreman who was a bulky but strong as an Ox at 257 pounds for Holyfield in 1991, was a serious and formidable heavyweight contender...... Holy won the fight by being young and very spry at age 28........ Holy boxed very well in 1991...... Holy was too skilled and wise to stand and trade with Foreman in Atlantic City......

MR.BILL

 

Anyone who claims the 1990s foreman was better than the 1970s foreman is totally and completely wrong. That is not an opinion either. 1970s Foreman was argubably a top 5 heavyweight of all time h2h. 1990s foreman could be outboxed and beaten by pretty much anyone who is decent.

 

Agree with SuzieQ.