Gil Clancy's Top 10 P4P

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  1. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Clancy was one of the greatest trainers of all time in this interviews he gave his thoughts on all time p4p list.

    ZL: I was reading an article in which you list the ten greatest fighters in history, and also the ten greatest fighters you ever worked with. I’d like to throw out some of the names from the first list, and you can tell me what comes to mind.

    GC: Sure. Of course.

    ZL: Willie Pep.??GC: Well, I think the best fighter pound for pound all time. He always fought in the other guy’s hometown, and always when the other guy was hot. And he’d come out and beat the guy. Just a great fighter. (After Willie Pep, Clancy’s list is as follows: Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Archie Moore, Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, Harry Greb, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Harold Johsnon.)

    ZL: Best defensive specialist, Pep?

    GC: Well, he was a terrific all around fighter. The only guy that gave him trouble was Sandy Sandler, because he was a freak, Sandy. Like 6 foot 1 and he could punch like a heavyweight. Outside of that, Pep just took everybody else apart.

    ZL: Sugar Ray Robinson. You have him at number two.

    GC: Number two, correct. He was a great technician, could punch, and he knew just what he had to do to win a fight. Always would pull it out at the right time.

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  2. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    "ZL: Okay, another name: Muhammad Ali.??GC: Ali I’ve known forever. I knew him since he was an amateur. His best asset, Ali’s was—nobody realizes—his best asset was that he could take the best punch in boxing. If he couldn’t take a great punch, he would’ve just been an ordinary heavyweight. But he could take those good punches that other guy nailed him with, and just come right back and score points and eventually get these guys out of there—most of them.

    ZL: With few exceptions, you need to have a great chin to be successful in the heavyweight division, don’t you?

    GC: You do need a great chin, yeah. But he had the best one. The best.

    ZL: Lennox Lewis had a great career but he obviously didn’t have–

    GC: (cutting in) Didn’t have the best chin in the world, no.

    ZL: But he was able to overcome it because…?

    GC: Well, because the talent that was around. He was a big guy, talented guy, and there wasn’t that much around in the heavyweight division."

    :facepalm:

    Some of the punchers Lennox Lewis beat: Razor Ruddock, Frank Bruno, Tommy Morrison, Andrew Golota, Shannon Briggs, David Tua, Vitali Klitschko ....
     
  3. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Interesting that he picked Pep and not Robinson as his number 1 choice, I don't think Pep gets enough mention.
    I have to diagree with him a bit as I'm not sure any heavyweight makes into the top ten p4p.
     
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  4. clinikill

    clinikill Active Member Full Member

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    I wonder where Carlos Monzon ranks on Clancy's list. You can tell based on his interviews and his color commentary that he didn't think very highly of Carlos. I think Clancy's fighters having 0% success against Monzon may have something to do with that. ;)
     
  5. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Definitely yes a lot of these guys let that kind of stuff blind them. Angelo Dundee was similar with Duran and Tyson since his fighters lost against them.
     
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  6. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Also Moore too high and Greb too low.
     
  7. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    oh boy
    ZL: Do you like Ali matching up against any heavyweight—I mean, I know Norton gave him problems…but do you like him against any heavyweight that’s ever lived?

    GC: Well, I think Marciano would have given him trouble, strange as it may seem. Even though Rocky was a small guy, he just had such a high energy level…work level…that he’d take it out of these bigger and stronger guys all the time. The reason I say that, I don’t know if you remember when Ali fought George Chuvalo. Chuvalo couldn’t punch, and he gave Ali trouble. Chuvalo’s style was a little bit similar to Marciano’s. So with Mariciano the way he could really punch, and the style he had, I think he would’ve always given Ali trouble.
     
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  8. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with him there.
     
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  9. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm surprised Clancy said that. The 90s competition was actually comparable to the 70s...he's wrong.
     
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  10. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    I think maybe it's that Lennox didn't get those big fights that were legacy makers earlier in his career - Bowe didn't happen, Holyfield happened late and of course, Tyson happened even later. I think guys of Clancy's generation didn't rate him that highly but there's a lack of recognition that he was avoided. Also, compared to the 70s, there was a fair bit of time the titles were split. The 70s had the advantage of one official champion from the beginning of the decade through to 1978. The 90s had 90-92 and then the end of 99. The rest of the time the title was only partially unified (thanks Bowe) or completely split (thanks Foreman).
     
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  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    Gil said some nonsense but had some insightful pieces in there.
    I like what he said about Duran "He knew where to be" in context to having "no jab" when you boil the fat off it that's boxing. Thinking ahead and knowing where to be at the right time. With the right sense of distance you could fight with your hands behind your back if you know where to be.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    Just who does Gil hang out with?
     
  13. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Clancy always gave Duran a lot of credit when others including guys commentating with him at the time like Al Bernstein did their best to knock Duran as much as they could. During the Barkley fight Gil said win or lose Duran had already done enough to prove he was one of the greatest fighters that had ever lived, I agree.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    Gil is like a lot, he has his biases and he has a mixture of incredibly insightful and at times not so insightful comments. I do love reading him tho but i don't take everything he says as gospel. He's a great read.
     
  15. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your "opinion"...just like it's Gils's "opinion". There no right answer to this...it's what you like...simple!!!