Gil Clancy's Views of Carlos Monzon

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  1. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've heard in the past that Gil Clancy's always considered Monzon to be very overated, is this true and what are his reasons, what are some of the things he's said.

    I'd be very interested in any information on this subject.
     
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    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ZL: Some of the best fights you ever worked…I want to get some quick impressions of them, things you recall. Monzon-Griffith? (Clancy trained Emile Griffith from his first amateur contest through his last—109th—pro fight.)

    GC: Well, the second time they fought, I thought we had a perfect fight for him that night. And I thought Griffith won the fight, just by outworking Monzon. (Monzon was awarded a UD for the 15-rounder. Monzon also won their first encounter—TKO14.) As a matter of fact, Nino Benvenuti, who was a newspaperman for the fight…for a week, he wrote everyday how it was a disgrace, how Griffith really won the fight, and this and that. Again, Monzon pulled it out and won the fight.

    ZL: I’m curious, where do you rate Monzon among the great middleweights?

    GC: I never thought he was that great a fighter. I had (Rodrigo) Valdes fight him twice, too. Valdes had him on the deck, and that was also another decision that should have gone the other way. (Monzon by UD15 both times.)
     
  3. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks,

    you got anything else that was said or any opinions on the subject yourself.
     
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    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  5. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whats this
     
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    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gil Clancy.
     
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    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was sour grapes from Clancy's viewpoint in my opinion.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Clancy too often felt the wrath of Monzon's steely determined gaze.
     
  9. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Unlikely since Clancy's had plenty of fighters go down to greats or purported greats and not complained (you don't hear him denigrating Duran - quite the opposite).

    Clancy's bang on with this, just like he is with pretty much everything, though he's a bit past his prime now. Clancy and Dundee calling Duran/De Jesus III, or Clancy and Tompkins: dream commentary team.
     
  10. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You might be right, but its strange because he's full of praise of Monzon in the Napoles fight commentary.
     
  11. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    He praises his physical attributes relative to a bloated up Lightweight. High praise indeed.
     
  12. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where do you rate Monzon Hd 2 Hd at middleweight.
     
  13. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're barking up the wrong tree.
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    His fighter got abused by Monzon but there was also something personal there. Anyone denying Monzon's greatness is either a) ignorant or b) promoting an agenda. A is not the case here. And i have heard Clancy denigrate Monzon on more than a few occassions.
     
  15. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What other things have you heard him say,

    I would'nt go as far as to say his fighters (Griffith, Valdez) got abused they where more than competive encounters.