Gimme your top 5 p4p ATG's

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Balder, Jun 17, 2021.

  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    #01. Harry Greb
    #02. Henry Armstrong
    #03. Sugar Ray Robinson
    #04. Sam Langford
    #05. Ezzard Charles

    #06. Benny Leonard
    #07. Muhammad Ali
    #08. Roberto Duran
    #09. Bob Fitzsimmons
    #10. Archie Moore
    #11. Joe Louis
    #12. Tony Canzoneri
    #13. Willie Pep
    #14. Barney Ross
    #15. Jimmy Wilde
  2. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

    Mar 24, 2019
  3. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

    May 4, 2021
    On what planet is Salvador sanchez close to the 6 or 7th best boxer of all time?
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  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jul 17, 2009
    Pretty solid list. I'm inclined to agree with you on your choices.
  5. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

    May 4, 2021

    our top 5 is very similiar and its a coinflip between Benny Leonard and Ezzard Charles ,Ezzard beat more hall of famers 8 to Bennys 7 but Benny doubled his wins, both guys didnt dodge anyone (benny fought the deepest his division had to offer) and Ezzard bullied the black murderers row(other guys of that era ducked him) but What swung it for Benny for me ,was Leonard stopped in his prime, He probably beats Sammy Mandell, Sid Terris , Mclarnin etc and that would have bumped him up to 3rd over Sugar Ray ,Also Benny stopped guys who were rarely stopped at their peak or never stopped , Like willie ritchie , Freddie welsh , Johnny Kilbane , Rocky Kansas.

    all Good top 6!
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  6. George forearm

    George forearm The forearm of George Full Member

    Aug 10, 2020
    Yea I love sal but even 30th is too high, never mind 7th
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  7. Indefatigable

    Indefatigable Active Member banned Full Member

    Mar 6, 2021
    I personally just believe he could fight w anyone in history pd fr pd
  8. Ike-Man

    Ike-Man Active Member Full Member

    Mar 9, 2014
    Mayweather above SRR???? LOL.
  9. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 12, 2012
  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    You weird guy :lol:
  11. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 15, 2018
    That’s not a specific order but I don’t have a problem with that.
  12. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis New Member Full Member

    Aug 27, 2020
    #01. Harry Greb
    #02. Sam Langford
    #03. Sugar Ray Robinson
    #04. Henry Armstrong
    #05. Ezzard Charles

    Harry Greb simply has the best resume of all time, beating the likes of Mickey Walker, Maxie Rosenbloom,Gene Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Mike Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Jack Dillon, Kid Norfolk, Mike O' Dowd and others, a good amount of them multiple times and with many physical disadvantages. He was active like no other, he had 298 fights in a span of 13 years, whereas Langford had 313 ( only 15 more ) fights in almost twice the time span, and he still ended up with only 18 losses, some of them undeservingly, showing just how incredibly consistent he was.

    Sam Langford has the best resume aside from Greb and by far the best P4P accomplishments. He beat Joe Gans when he was just a teen, an insane accomplishment, even if Gans was not in his absolute best condition during the fight, having fought the day prior. He also should have gotten the nod against Barbados Joe Walcott. He KO'd Heavyweight greats Harry Wills, Sam McVey and beat Joe Jeannette by decision multiple times despite starting out at around Lightweight. He beat Tiger Flowers when he was almost blind and fought until he was 43 years old.

    Even if Greb and Langford are probably greater when you study them in depth, Sugar Ray Robinson is the consensus GOAT for good reason. He beat Jake Lamotta 5 times, Kid Gavilan twice, Fritzie Zivic twice, Bobo Olson 4 times, Tommy Bell twice, Sammy Angott 3 times, Gene Fullmer and Carmen Basilio, and he would have gotten the win against Maxim had it not been for a heat stroke. He also beat about half of them during a 91 fight winning streak, not losing once.

    Henry Armstrong had quite possibly the most dominant peak run out of all of them. Beating Barney Ross, Lou Ambers, Caferino Garcia, Baby Arizmendi, Chalky Wright almost back to back. he beat Petey Sarron for the world Featherweight title, and not even a full year late he beat a top 20 ATG in Barney ross gaining the Welterweight title, and then almost 3 months later moved down to Lightweight to beat Ambers for the crown, thus becoming a 3 division champion simultaneously, then moved back to 147 and had 19 consecutive Welterweight defenses right after.

    Ezzard Charles's resume is insane and underappreciated by many . Beating Teddy Yarosz at just 20 years old and then coming to a draw with Ken Overlin not much later. He beat Charley Burley twice back to back, Joey Maxim 5 times, Archie Moore 3 times, Jimmy Bivins 4 times, Lloyd Marshall, Jersey Joe Walcott twice, Rex Layne, Elmer Ray (and he should have won in the first fight), and older Joe Louis, and made Marciano give everything he had when he was well past it. Even if he only won a championship at Heavyweight, his weight climbing accomplishments, with so many great fighters from Middleweight to Heavyweight, are undeniably spectacular
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2021
  13. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 22, 2015
    #1 Ray Robinson
    #2 H,Armstrong
    #3 Duran
    #5 S.Saddler
    #6 A,Arguello
    #7 Ali
    #8 E.Charles
    #9 R,Leonard
    #10 Hagler
  14. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    Mar 19, 2012
    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Benny Leonard
    4. Ezzard Charles
    5. Henry Armstrong
  15. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 15, 2018
    It’s funny how history changes and time changes minds. In twenty years most lists will have Mayweathers name on them.