Gimme your top 5 p4p ATG's

ETM · Jun 18, 2021

I think Benny Leonard is starting to be forgotten or overlooked in general.

Indefatigable · Jun 18, 2021

ETM said: ↑

I think Benny Leonard is starting to be forgotten or overlooked in general.
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Not by me.

Indefatigable · Jun 18, 2021

George Crowcroft said: ↑

You weird guy
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No. Just right. Don't be envious. I don't dislike you.

ipitythefool · Jun 18, 2021

SRR
Greb
Duran
Ali
Leonard

surfinghb · Jun 18, 2021

Gazelle Punch said: ↑

It’s funny how history changes and time changes minds. In twenty years most lists will have Mayweathers name on them.
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I respect your opinion ,, but definitely not on my list .. He will always be a # 30 - 40 guy for me .. He cant go back in time and pick better fights .. Too many others in the history of this sport have resumes that make his look LACKING big time .... but again .. imo here .. you dont see SRR, Armstrong, Charles, Greb , Langford , B leonard etc .. changing drastically in spots too much here ,, so why should Mays .. Activity and Competition has fallen off the cliff in this sport for many years now .. that does not promote better rankings historically

Jel · Jun 18, 2021

Samtotheg said: ↑

Pep isnt even the greatest featherweight of all time lol at him making a top 5 pfp list!
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He is the greatest featherweight of all time.

Jel · Jun 18, 2021

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Willie Pep
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Harry Greb
10. Sam Langford

Samtotheg · Jun 18, 2021

Ioakeim Tzortzakis said: ↑

#01. Harry Greb
#02. Sam Langford
#03. Sugar Ray Robinson
#04. Henry Armstrong
#05. Ezzard Charles

Harry Greb simply has the best resume of all time, beating the likes of Mickey Walker, Maxie Rosenbloom,, Gene Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Mike Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Jack Dillon, Kid Norfolk, Mike O' Dowd and others, a good amount of them multiple times and with many physical disadvantages. He was active like no other, he had 298 fights in a span of 13 years, whereas Langford had 313 ( only 15 more ) fights in almost twice the time span, and he still ended up with only 18 losses, some of them undeservingly, showing just how incredibly consistent he was.

Sam Langford has the best resume aside from Greb and by far the best P4P accomplishments. He beat Joe Gans when he was just a teen, an insane accomplishment, even if Gans was not in his absolute best condition during the fight, having fought the day prior. He also should have gotten the nod against Barbados Joe Walcott. He KO'd Heavyweight greats Harry Wills, Sam McVey and beat Joe Jeannette by decision multiple times despite starting out at around Lightweight. He beat Tiger Flowers when he was almost blind and fought until he was 43 years old.

Even if Greb and Langford are probably greater when you study them in depth, Sugar Ray Robinson is the consensus GOAT for good reason. He beat Jake Lamotta 5 times, Kid Gavilan twice, Fritzie Zivic twice, Bobo Olson 4 times, Tommy Bell twice, Sammy Angott 3 times, Gene Fullmer and Carmen Basilio, and he would have gotten the win against Maxim had it not been for a heat stroke. He also beat about half of them during a 91 fight winning streak, not losing once.

Henry Armstrong had quite possibly the most dominant peak run out of all of them. Beating Barney Ross, Lou Ambers, Caferino Garcia, Baby Arizmendi, Chalky Wright almost back to back. he beat Petey Sarron for the world Featherweight title, and not even a full year late he beat a top 20 ATG in Barney ross gaining the Welterweight title, and then almost 3 months later moved down to Lightweight to beat Ambers for the crown, thus becoming a 3 division champion simultaneously, then moved back to 147 and had 19 consecutive Welterweight defenses right after.

Ezzard Charles's resume is insane and underappreciated by many . Beating Teddy Yarosz at just 20 years old and then coming to a draw with Ken Overlin not much later. He beat Charley Burley twice back to back, Joey Maxim 5 times, Archie Moore 3 times, Jimmy Bivins 4 times, Lloyd Marshall, Jersey Joe Walcott twice, Rex Layne, Elmer Ray (and he should have won in the first fight), and older Joe Louis, and made Marciano give everything he had when he was well past it. Even if he only one a championship at Heavyweight, his weight climbing accomplishments, with so many great fighters from Middleweight to Heavyweight, are undeniably spectacular
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solid top 5 I have Benny where Ezzard is but Barely!

Samtotheg · Jun 18, 2021

Jel said: ↑

He is the greatest featherweight of all time.
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he beat about what 4 hall of famers , Kilbane beat 7 ,Kilbane had a longer title reign against TOUGHER competition and he beat premier guys who were in the division above him,meanwhile Pep couldnt beat Sammy ****ing angott lol.

Samtotheg · Jun 18, 2021

ETM said: ↑

I think Benny Leonard is starting to be forgotten or overlooked in general.
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agreed , But having ezzard charles over him in the pfp all time rankings is not an insult!

Samtotheg · Jun 18, 2021

surfinghb said: ↑

I respect your opinion ,, but definitely not on my list .. He will always be a # 30 - 40 guy for me .. He cant go back in time and pick better fights .. Too many others in the history of this sport have resumes that make his look LACKING big time .... but again .. imo here .. you dont see SRR, Armstrong, Charles, Greb , Langford , B leonard etc .. changing drastically in spots too much here ,, so why should Mays .. Activity and Competition has fallen off the cliff in this sport for many years now .. that does not promote better rankings historically
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resume wise floyd doesnt crack the top 100

Mod-Mania · Jun 18, 2021

Gazelle Punch said: ↑

It’s funny how history changes and time changes minds. In twenty years most lists will have Mayweathers name on them.
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No they won't.

Ioakeim Tzortzakis · Jun 18, 2021

Samtotheg said: ↑

solid top 5 I have Benny where Ezzard is but Barely!
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I have Benny between 6-8 actually. always go back and forth between him, Gans and Duran.

Samtotheg · Jun 18, 2021

Ioakeim Tzortzakis said: ↑

I have Benny between 6-8 actually. always go back and forth between him, Gans and Duran.
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I think you can go back and forward with Charles and Leonard too it gets really muddy after the top 4.

Gazelle Punch · Jun 18, 2021

Mod-Mania said: ↑

No they won't.
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....yes they will.

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