Give it up for Andre Ward!!

So much british hate for the USA, it is sickening and you should feel ashamed. I always viewed the british as allies. And what the **** is this bull**** about the UK being the father of the usa, we had to fight you for freedom and guess what we won. I am italian. The vast majority of the americans that settled from europe were german, then scotch-irish.

It must have to do with losing Amir Khan to the USA, because you slag ****s were too hard on the guy for one loss, thats pathetic. Stop being haters and start being appreciaters.

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....he still lives in England. He was at the football game on Saturday (Boltob V Blackburn)......whats your reason for Kevin Spacey moving here? You cant better your movie career in Britain really can you? Khan has an excuse....Roach.

 

I'll trade you Kevin Spacey for Khan:rofl You can have beckham back too. I think Khan was just lashing out when he said he was going to move to california because all the **** you guys put him through and from reading this thread i can see why. Then again California, versus england....really, is that even a choice?

 

I reckon people have already jumped on this and spat it our for the bollocks it is (presuming that's why later posts are about the war) but you have to understand how much Europeans think Americans are absolute complete and utter ****s for this cretinous ****!

I mean, c'mon, if you had any idea about the World and recent history you would never say this. If for one moment you shrugged off your national propaganda and thought rationally you would realise that it is untrue and if you didn't get your education from Hollywood then you would easily be able to argue against this!

We had won our particular war before you even entered! We beat the Germans in the Battle of Britain, The Battle of the Atlantic and El Alamein before the USA so much as raised and interest in the fight! Hitler tried to invade us and we won! We beat him with the help of our great and unselfish allies in the commonwealth, the Canadians, Aussies, Indians, South Africans etc. It is THEY who have a rightful claim to having "saved our ass", not America!

America were a fantastic help for our invasion of Europe. You certainly helped us beat Hitler back and we couldn't have done it without you, just as Germany couldn't have been beaten without us or without the Russians.
You didn't "save" anyone though! You need to drop this saviour complex as it makes people think you are insecure.

That anyone would say America "saved our ass" in WWI would be laughable if I could stop from shaking my head and sighing! You were literally in that war for less than a year!! Actual foot on the ground, in the trenches firing, around seven months! The battle had been won by then! Britain, the French and all our allies had been fighting and dying for 4 years! Losing nearly 2 million people!

What you did in WWI was shorten it. By how long, I cannot say but it is known that the war weary Germans, who were ready to pack it in any day, lost very heavy moral when they saw thousands of well fed, eager soldiers (though they weren't impressed by them, as many Germans said at the time. They found the American soldier laughable but to be fair they weren't professional soldiers and it was during a time of isolationalism from the USA).


So, yeah, just think about what your saying. The American soldiers who fought in those wars would be disgusted by this smug attitude their descendent have.
Not only is it completely wrong but it is extremely disrespectful to all those warriors who fought in the wars, whether they are American, British, French, Canadian, German... whatever! You tell my grandads who were fighting from when they were 15, three years before you entered. Tell my great grandad who was killed at The Somme while we were begging you to help us!

If there is a boxing match. The two fighters are going at it, hell for leather, giving it their all, both close to collapsing before, in the 11th round, a big hulk comes in and hammers one fighter down... is it right that they then should smugly claim to have "saved his ass" and not give him respect for the gruelling 11 rounds he had gone already?

The thing is. Many Europeans were very grateful to the USA for their help during the wars, as we were to Canadians, Indians, Jamaicans, Africans, anyone from outside Europe who came to battle the nightmarish bad guys. We were very grateful and respectful to you all for that but now, due to the American attitude of "we saved your ass", "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us" and the total propaganda machine you have had going since the 50's (including and especially in Hollywood) we are now embittered against it. We despise it! It sickens us to our stomach to hear this **** from people in a country who didn't witness this horror right on their doorstep. Many literally hate you for it. It's a shame because you do deserve respect and the Americans who fought have all the respect in the World!

You don't deserve anywhere near the respect that is due for the Canadians, Indians, Aussies, Africans, Arabic, Near Eastern, the Poles and the Americans who joined us before the USA entered and helped us win the Battle of Britain etc etc though, those who came with us from the very start! Who stuck by Britain when we were fighting all alone against the Nazi machine.

No, it is THEY who saved our asses, not the USA and certainly not you!!

 

You fought the same countries, in the same continents as we did, well, you fought in some of the countries and against some of the countries that we did but we fought in and against ALL the countries you did. It seems that Americans think they were fighting the Japanese alone, or that it was only they who fought in Italy.

Lend Lease was one of the things that destroyed the British Empire. Not saying that it could have continued after WWII if we didn't owe the USA so much money though. But you completely shafted us! We were still paying it back up to 5 years ago! You knew we were a country at war, all production going to the war effort etc. Basically, you were like the loan shark who finds a person who is in lots of debt and absolutely desperate to pay before the bailiffs come and take their furniture and you offer them a loan at 50% interest. Knowing full well that they would have to accept it, or lose their property and maybe end up homeless. We had to accept your offer or we would have been completely doomed.

Yep. The USA spat it's dummy out and cried for complete control if they were to enter. We had been battling for years. We were exhausted. We were being bombed to **** several times a day and we could barely afford to feed our civvies, never mind the squaddies! Of course we are going to let you have your own way!

There were more Brits fighting on D-Day than any other country.

As were we! For ****s sake! Have you ever heard a Brit going on about how we fought on 3 fronts?! Have you ****! That's cause the war is a living, breathing monster for us! We still see the effects of it during our average day. It would be completely and utterly repulsive to brag about what we did there and other European countries feel exactly the same. This whole debate feels horrible to us! We would never instigate something like this and go round, bragging about what we did in the war, no one would!! Well, yes, one country would, wouldn't they? They never ****ing shut up about it!

Course you were needed. No one has ever said otherwise. We know we couldn't have done it if it wasn't for you. What we absolutely abhor though is your obnoxious and arrogant "we saved your ass" attitude. We really ****ing hate that and I promise you, you would not get that attitude from any other country in the World than America. Shame.

Respect should be nutral, you're absolutely right. It's not though, is it? The USA wants all the respect, while not offering any to anyone else. I have never, ever heard a Canadian or Aussie, for example, tell me they deserve respect, or that they saved us. They just wouldn't do it and they did a **** load more than the USA did for us and Europe, especially in the first WW

 

Ha! I never knew that!

Of course though, the rivalry with France goes back many centuries. although the Normans were Scandinavian, settled Vikings, Anglo-Saxon Britons did consider them French and see them as French over lords. Less than 300 years later, we are at war with France for the next (over) 100 years! It is those 100 years war where the hatred between France and England first manifest (after all, it was Agincourt that gave birth to our 2 fingered salute).

I know France and Scotland have a sneaky friendship (waves fist at you and any other Scot, grunting "why I oughtta!!") as they fought with the Pole, Bonnie Prince Charlie against the English during the Jacobite Rebellion and did they not supply some soldiers at Bannockburn?

We came together shortly later though, didn't we, to destroy them at Waterloo. We took the French off guard as they looked at the lines of Scots in disbelief, whining "but.... but Scotland... I... I thought we were best friends forever!?!"

Then, the French did us a huge favour without realising it. They saved America's ass, during their War of Independence, losing Mad George III one of his backwater colonies (his diary entry that day reads "nothing important happened today).

The mutual hatred and lack of trust has ran deep, at least since 1357 (or whatever year the 100 years war started). So much so that in the build up to WWI, the majority of Parliament actually believed we should be siding with the Germans, as the French were not to be trusted and would surely use the war to try and invade us or one of our colonies. Luckily for the Entente Cordial, we fought with them, instead of against. Saying that though, it would have been a short war if we had sided with the Germans, wouldn't it?


EDIT: Would just like to say...
I'm sorry to pick out the Americans in particular here but it is always the Americans who say it (and it really pisses me off that some mindless Brits have decided to join them, even though they have no ****ing idea what they're talking about!). I'm talking about Americans constantly calling the French cowards, "cheese eating surrender monkeys" and that whole ****ing debacle with the "freedom fries"!
French military history is second only to maybe Britain. What France has done with her army over the past thousand years is staggering and deserves much respect. The USA could not so much as dream about achieving what the French have!

Noooo. You can call the French a lot of things but cowardly is not one. Some of the bravest souls of WWII were the French Resistance and I would like to see a spotty little Californian telling one of Napoleon's Grande Armee that they are cowardly!

 

Holy **** you people are ******ed

 

Hang on, hang on. Let's get it right. One person said that about being the father of the USA and I hate it when I hear Brits saying stuff like that, although it is rare to hear. I was about to have a dig at him myself but it was only when a couple of Americans started up with the "we saved your ass in WWI/II" that people started responding to it and no one said anything particularly derogatory about the USA. At least nothing more than "we hate hearing obnoxious **** like that from Americans", because we ****ing do!

No one was slagging off America at all.

You didn't fight for freedom. You were already free. You fought against taxes. By the way, I think you fought the good fight and if I were around during the war of independence, I would have been a supporter.

Some people were hard on Amir. That's the way things are. You can't say the USA is any different though. Just over this past couple of months, we have seen Americans stop supporting fighters they have been a fan of for years, after one loss!

Hang on... you said you were American to start with. Now you're Italian? C'mon, make your mind up! No wonder you lot are so dizzy!


EDIT: And **** off too! You're not ****ing giving Beckham back! We had a deal, you can't back out of it soon as you find the merchandise is dodgy!!

**** me! This has been like the history forum I go on. Everyone posts these really long winded, boring posts, as I have been doing on this page.

Sorry about that everyone. I promise, for my next 10 posts, I will give 1 word replies.

 

If you look back to where this all originated and read some of the posts you'll see I have nothing but respect for Britain, her soldiers and her sacrifices. So don't come on here referring to "bragging" or being "smug". And don't tell me what my ancestors would think, you know nothing of them. Let's leave it at that. It's ridiculous.

I was seeking mutual respect, responding to potshots toward the U.S. that seem so to come so easy for some. To say otherwise is just selective truth seeking. If you don't want a fight don't throw a punch.(not you personally, proverbially).

The U.S. should have entered both wars sooner, but politics being what they were at the time, it didn't happen. Hindsight is always 20/20. It doesn't take away from the sacrifices and monumental hardships suffered by Britain or France or Russia or the African continent or anyone. No one is trying to say that the U.S. suffered like Britain or the other main parties involved, or committed as many souls. But the facts remain, without U.S. intervention, 1 war most certainly would have been lost(II) and the other may have been.

As for the facts.....WWI was far from over. It was locked in a horrible, horrible, practically static, stalemate for years and, while the green U.S. troops were hardly the fighting force of the British, French or Germans, they were addition enough to tip the scales in favor of the Entente.

Britain valiantly staved off catastrophic defeat in the Battle of Britain, for if she had fallen, things would be a lot different. But the war was far from over and Britain far from safe.

As for D-Day ...check this site out and note the casualty figures....
http://www.ddaymuseum.co.uk/faq.htm

As for the other nations that were supporting Britain, they were clearly instrumental in achieving victory in WWII, but were obviously unable to to do so. The U.S. brought in the resources, the men, the machines and were able to tip the balance in favor of the Allies. All the parties were instrumental. No one more so than the Russians, who sustained horrible, horrible casualties.

I agree with you about the French. People shouldn't say such things.

Your fighter analogy is right on.... except do not leave out the part where the
fighter who was helped to victory subsequently begins saying how he gave birth to our sorry asses and firing off insults. Then complete the story.

You take selected posts and respond, which is fine, but the context under which they were posted is not apparent. I never said the U.S. was more instrumental than Britain in winning either war. Never, not once. You're arguing points that weren't made.

Yes, respect should be mutual. I feel I have given it. Have you?

 

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