Give Pac Credit!!

I think that Roach has stifled Mannie’s natural fighting style. I’m not saying that he’s a bad coach. However, Mannie is not the fighter of 2 years ago….style wise. It may be a good thing that he has learnt a bit more defense…but by the same token, he’s become too conservative. Barrera was very good in defense….that was the sum of it! He retired on a proud note for himself. (He would have been prouder going out in a macho attempt though!)

I hope he sticks to his word to quit.

 

PAC's right hand has vastly improved which surprised MAB at times.

 

You hit the nail on the head. It's why no matter how good Hopkins got tactically, Prime Jones would IMO always beat him. Simply too fast.

Old School MAB may have been able to hang with Pacman. If they had fought at 122, it would have been a better fight than the two they had. I would favor Pacman ever so slightly.

 

well what he could have done was come in focused and ready in 2003 and he would have beat him then if pacquiao tries to outbox marquez it will be more 1sided than their first fight was

if he tries to overwhelm marquez he will be schooled

tell pacquiao to fight some fighters colming off wins

 

Pacman's a great fighter period even with all of his evident flaws. The reason we want to all see him 'sorted' out is because of these shitty fanboys that don't even know what they are talking about, as displayed by the thread creator here.

I'm really liking Guzman's chances over Pac.

 

Well, it has nothing to do with being an expert to know that what Pac did was nothing resembling outboxing Barrera in this bout, as you asserted.

 

HIs game plan was to survive. That's it. And not to outbox Pac nor win the fight.

He was effective in limiting Pac's offense by going away from the onslaught, or by showing some counterpunching skills but he has no offense in effect. He was not even able to land his jabs at will. Of course, the 10-second end of the round flurry was always there as expected, and some vintage cheating, but overall, MAB decided to end his career without a serious injury by fighting "smart".

 

Little man, outjabbing someone does not mean outboxing someone. Pac was the aggressor for 95% of the fight and MAB was the one attempting to do the boxing.

Pac would have loved to get into exchanges, he would have won by KO, he did his best to intiate exchanges and used pretty solid tactics in doing so. Pac has a very good jab, he's always had a nice quick snappy jab and has always had good timing, it's good to see him controlling a fight with it instead of being too wild.

However, this is not outboxing, this is pressing a fight and working behind the jab, most competent pressure fighters/swarmers do this.