Give your TOP-5 in these categories (active boxers): ...

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  1. Oxygene2

    Oxygene2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    -Effective offence

    -Defence

    -Movement (to facilitate offence and defence, so all around movement; ability to get in, get out, cut off the ring, and maintain efficient and effective movement).

    -Ring Generalship
     
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  2. MVC!

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    1. MAY
    2. MAY
    3. MAY
    4. MAY

    1. 46% connect rate, no one else even compares. That's effective offense to a T. His high connect %.

    2. Doesn't even need to be questioned at all

    3. It's May for sure, his distance contract is impeccable.

    4. It's May again.
     
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  3. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    F*ck, great thread. I need to have a think.
     
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  4. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What's a distance contract? Is he having it written into the fight contracts now that the opponents must keep a certain distance?
     
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  5. shanenewsome

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    Effective Offence:
    1. Gennady Golovkin
    2. Sergey Kovalev
    3. Manny Pacquiao
    4. Nicholas Walters
    5. Kell Brook

    Defence
    1. Floyd Mayweather
    2. Joshua Clottey
    3. Carl Frampton
    4. Saul Alvarez
    5. Billy Joe Saunders

    Movement:
    1. Gennady Golovkin
    2. Floyd Mayweather
    3. Saul Alvarez
    4. Amir Khan
    5. Guillermo Rigondeaux

    Ring Generalship:
    1. Gennady Golovkin
    2. Roman Gonzalez
    3. Ruslan Provodnikov
    4. Brandon Rios
    5. Sergey Kovalev
     
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  6. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :huh
     
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  7. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm gonna put an emphasis (for the most part) on stopping power because someone like Lomachenko can push pillow fists into anybody at will

    1. Roman Gonzalez
    2. Gennady Golovkin
    3. Sergey Kovalev
    4. Naoya Inoue
    5. Carl Frampton

    Not many outside of Mayweather really stick out. Even someone like Rigo who we'd usually rate high gets touched up.


    1. Bernard Hopkins
    2. Floyd Mayweather
    3. Miguel Vazquez
    4. Erislandy Lara
    5. Amir Khan (dude is fast)

    1. Floyd Mayweather
    2. Wladimir Klitschko
    3. Manny Pacquiao
    4. Roman Gonzalez
    5. Tim Bradley



    Or some ****e
     
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  8. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why are people rating Khan's movement so highly!?! His hands are fast, that's it. He's actually quite flat footed and he's only now starting to break his habit of moving in straight lines.
     
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  9. jmarlow

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    Effective Offence:
    1. Gennady Golovkin
    2. Roman Gonzalez
    3. Manny Pacquiao
    4. Sergey kovalev
    5. Wladimir Klitschko

    Defence
    1. Guillermo Rigondeaux
    2. Andre Ward
    3. Floyd Mayweather
    4. Bernard Hopkins
    5. Wladimir Klitschko

    Movement:
    1. Gennady Golovkin
    2. Vasyl Lomachenko
    3. Roman Gonzalez
    4. Guillermo Rigondeaux
    5. Floyd Mayweather

    Ring Generalship:
    1. Guillermo Rigondeaux
    2. Roman Gonzalez
    3. Manny Pacquiao
    4. Vasyl Lomachenko
    5. Floyd Mayweather
     
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  10. Oxygene2

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    I don't think B-Hop has the best movement at this stage but you're clearly referring to his pomp, or at least I'm guessing so. Mayweather has spoiled us for defence, so everyone else seems tame in comparison, but we should be able to come up with a list anyway.

    For offence, power does matter if you can't make the opponent respect you enough that they'll look to walk through you to score, but essentially I can't punish Lomachenko too much because ultimately, if the punches score then it's still effective offence. I agree with your list and have 4 of the same names - didn't include Frampton but it's a good call.

    I'd actually place Wlad above Floyd for ring generalship, as Floyd can lose ground in that area as a product of not intimidating all his opponents with power and a consistent stiff jab. Mayweather is a magician in the ring with fantastic ring generalship and Wlad is a bit more direct and can rely more on his natural power. Either man at the top spot is reasonable though.

    I'd swap Pacquiao in for Frampton at the moment. I still think that offensively he's one of the best in the business.
    For now, I'll just give a list for effective offence.



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    — tank like, surgical, smart oscillation of attack, dynamite in both hands, ramrod jab, impressive patience, always varied, volume.
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    — angles, smooth rhythm, volume, committed, seek and destroy mentality, fires long or short very effectively, good jab, fluid combinations.
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    — ramrod shots, vicious, accurate, measured, efficient, versatile, committed, seek and destroy mentality, very good power, carries power/effectiveness late.
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    — blazing speed, vicious extended combinations, unorthodox and effective angles, difficult to deter.
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    — monstrous, sharp-shooter, difficult to deter, carries power/effectiveness late, always looking to score first - effectively eager, combinations.

    honourable mentions: Lomachenko (lacks power, accurate and dazzling variety and rhythm); Mayweather (lacks power, volume and commitment, but is undeniably accurate); Estrada (volume and accuracy, great timing); Walters (accurate, powerful, dynamic); Alvarez (great and creative combination puncher); Wladimir (controlling jab,has all the tools, but lacks commitment to his offence); Thurman (committed and powerful, with great volume).

    Some names left out there or probably forgotten...
     
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  11. shanenewsome

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    As for Rios and Provodnikov, that's all they know how to do.You don't win fights just on that but they do that very very well.

    As for Alvarez's defence he is a great fighter when working off the ropes. Better than when going forward imo and as for his movement he also moves off the ropes effortlessly and has the other guy cornered before you know it.

    As for Khans movement have you never seen him fight. It's all the guy does! And very well and quick as well.
     
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  12. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't even begin to address this it's all so wrong.
     
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  13. shanenewsome

    shanenewsome Active Member Full Member

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    Let's see your lists then.
     
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  14. Oxygene2

    Oxygene2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Obviously, all the aspects sort of blend into the other, so it's hard to take a hardcore reductionistic approach, but I think the things you attribute to Alvarez are more indicative of his movement, offence, and ring generalship than his defence.
     
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  15. shanenewsome

    shanenewsome Active Member Full Member

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    With Alvarez I have him high on movement also cause his movement is very good, but it's due to my opinion I feel he works better off the back foot than the front foot that I have him highly rated in defence as opposed to offense and ring Generalship. I mean look at his fights with mayweather and lara it's clear when he has to control a fight he finds it a lot harder.
     
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