Go back, Jack, view it again...we're scoring, Round By Round...

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  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Um, huh? Two mainstays of the LHW top 10 for several years have two good fights, one coined "Robbery of the Year," and you think the truth is that no one cares?

    Shumenov has been relevant for years and gives (usually one sided) entertainment and Campillo has been relevant for years and gives good showcases of upright, "robotic" to some, boxing lessons.

    Shumenov/Campillo II clearly should have gone to Campillo, who won at least 8 rounds, but had the verdict gone his way it would be viewed as a watchable, pretty entertaining scrap between two style clashes. I think I have the most generous score for Shumenov in their rematch and I had it 8-3-1, or 116-111, with Campillo's rounds being the most decisive.

    As big of a fan as I've been of Shumenov, I have still for some reason, despite lots of interest, never watched Shumenov/Campillo I. Perhaps I'll get around to it.
     
  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    I thought Campillo beat Cloud, so did the live fans at ringside...............
     
  3. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I care too about Campillo-Shumenov rivalry.

    I'm from Spain and Campillo has been our best boxer in the last decade, and maybe the most robbed boxer of the decade too (Shumenov, Murat, Cloud). He is now finished, so it's nice to remember his good days. Thanks IB!
     
  4. Big

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  5. McGuinty

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    Bit O' Steely Dan.
     
  6. Drinquor

    Drinquor Texas Representative Full Member

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    Steely Dan...good job!

    :thumbsup
     
  7. Beatle

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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Guys... (deep sigh) there is no list, really.

    Maybe it was my fault, with my choice of language in the OP?

    The 'collaborative spirit' I was talking about opening this up to was everybody scoring along with me and giving your analytical input, on a daily fight-by-fight basis ...that is, the fights I decide are worth my going back and having a look at.

    I was really never looking for suggestions, or requests. I post a fight (whatever strikes my fancy on a given day), like with Shumenov vs. Campillo I yesterday, along with my fresh scorecard for it - and everybody follows suit. That is how this is supposed to go. :lol: Something got lost in translation here.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :hey :guitar


    Rather proud of how well the wordplay fits the actual lyric, actually...damn near a perfect homophone... :D
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    So, three pages and twenty-four hours later and not one single person seems to have endeavored to actually watch & score yesterday's match. :-(

    I thought about just canning this and continuing this project in the form of a folder of .txt files on my hard drive offline for my own archival purposes, but I'm going to give this another try...
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Today's installment: Liam Walsh vs. Paul Appleby, 2011


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    This was said to be the UK domestic FOTY, and I've seen bits and pieces of it but never sat down to give it a proper once-over with the old (figurative) pencil and paper. Other than featuring brilliant action, the most commonly said thing about this match was how competitive it was all the way. I'm curious to see if the official scores ring true while not quite seeming to reflect those sentiments. (while bearing in mind that a match can in fact be close throughout, but clearly wide for one combatant)


    Round 1:

    Appleby is following Walsh around the ring, sticking the high left jab. Walsh is leading him along, countering with right jabs with a sliding step inside and tying up briefly. Appleby crashes a right hand

    down across the cheek as they fall into a clinch. Appleby is roughing Walsh up on the inside, carrying and shrugging him back into the ropes. Walsh tries hurling him off and drops a right hand on his head

    as Appleby falls back, bowing over to his right. Another clinch and Appleby whips in some sideswiping body shots. Jabs into the guard by Appleby. Their arms get knotted up in the middle of the ring, both

    shoving and jerking.

    10-9 Appleby, very tight, physicality edged it.


    Round 2:

    Appleby is coming forward, dropping in right hands and pressing Walsh into a corner. Uppercuts on the body from Appleby. Walsh jumps in and out putting up the jab and tapping Appleby on the belt line with

    it while skipping backward. Walsh turns off the ropes and keeps Appleby out with the jab. Appleby is shuffling in, guard up high, peering down at Walsh and thrusting out hard jabs, chopping in behind them

    with the right, not closing the distance as Walsh backs up. Walsh ties up. Walsh is ducking and quickly skating to his left, popping in the jab. Long clinch, broken up by the ref. Appleby holds Walsh,

    pinning his arms down to his sides, tapping both fists in over Walsh's kidneys. They fall in together jabbing, possibly butting heads, and Walsh is cut. They flurry at each other at the bell.

    10-9 Walsh, nip and tuck but his jab was the best stuff going.

    19-19

    (at this point I have the exact opposite card but same exact score as Enzo Maccarinelli; who gave Appleby the 2nd and Walsh the 1st)


    Round 3:

    Appleby is marching forward and sticking his jab on Walsh, dipping forward and bucking up with the jab flipping out as he rises. Walsh is dancing away, double-time, jabbing with each step. Walsh is working

    very well on the outside, using inside-out movement and scoring just enough with the jab. Appleby runs Walsh down and tries hacking in the clinch but Walsh is too slippery, pulling free and dancing outside

    with more jabs.

    10-9 Walsh

    29-28 Walsh


    Round 4:

    Appleby is jogging in, rowing out the jab and looking to froth into a combination with right hands sailing down and left hooks thudding in on the hip but unable to string together many consecutive head

    shots. Walsh is carefully bouncing in and out, popping the jab, moving laterally in either direction. Occasionally Walsh darts in to slip a lazy Appleby jab and scores a flush straight left or uppercut.

    Appleby leans on Walsh, mugging him on the ropes and wrapping his arms up while flapping his gloves down over his upper back.

    10-9 Walsh, much cleaner work.

    39-37 Walsh


    Round 5:

    Walsh is coasting widely around Appleby, jittery, knees flexing and springing as he goes. Walsh is jabbing and looking to stay off the ropes. Appleby walks him down and mauls him in a clinch. Double left

    jab, right hand, left upper-hook into the ribs by Walsh, temporarily boxing orthodox. Appleby is enveloping Walsh in clinches, wrenching on his arms. Walsh is caught with a right hand on the ropes and

    ducks away with Appleby unloading on him. A couple of flush hooks and loopers by Appleby. Walsh is caught a few times but manages to squeak past Appleby for a short reprive, quickly trapped on the ropes

    again and needing to tie up without so much as a jab sent back Appleby's way.

    10-9 Appleby, stolen late.

    48-46 Walsh


    Round 6:

    Appleby is clobbering at Walsh as he cloys to him, chopping with the right and setting up big left hooks. Walsh is cowing into the ropes, popping up right jabs and looking to escape in a crouch. BIG LEFT

    HOOK BY APPLEBY. Walsh is exploding up with the southpaw jab and 1-2 climbing the ladder up Appleby's body and back down now. Walsh is ducking and circling out. Appleby keeps pressuring and chopping down

    at him, looking to steamroll him into the ropes again. Body shots traded both ways.

    10-9 Appleby

    57-57

    (Special guest commentator Enzo Maccarinelli also has it dead level at this juncture, though he arrived here by different means...)


    Round 7:

    Walsh is ducking away as Appleby applies the 1-2 walking toward him, just pantomiming with it until he gets close and then starting to seriously take aim when he gets within arm's length. Walsh is leaning in rhythm to slip the punches, then boomerangs in for a timely clinch. Walsh is popping in the odd right jab between the gloves between periods of skipping away or darting in and tying up. Very scrappy. Right jab, high left hand by Walsh, starting to warm up. Right hook downstairs by Walsh, loading up on a curveball left to follow up. HUGE counter left hook thrown short into the chin by Appleby!!! WALSH IS DOWN! Appleby is encouraged, loping over to Walsh before the cobwebs are cleared as soon as the ref indicates time in. BIG shots by Appleby. Hammering rights and left hooks. FLUSH straight right on the chin by Appleby, knocking Walsh reeling backward into the ropes.

    10-8 Appleby (and before that big hook, Walsh had that round bagged...)

    67-65 Appleby


    Round 8:

    Walsh is rushing Appleby into a corner, throwing huge uppercut combinations into the midsection. Appleby puts out both forearms and levers Walsh off, walking him out to center ring through sheer physical strength. Appleby is hopping in place, getting his blood up, and comes in with a high lazy jab and chopping right falling into a clinch. Walsh catches a short counter left hook while threshing with both fists, slicing wildly at Appleby's body in desperation to keep him outside. Walsh begins to spin Appleby while clinched up, then let go and dance around him a bit, landing quick flurries. Appleby is hugging Walsh, tired. Appleby telegraphs a 1-2 standing dead in front of Walsh and takes a right uppercut from Walsh. HARD right cross by Walsh, standing orthodox in the pocket. HUGE COMBINATION BY WALSH, peppering Appleby's head and body.

    10-9 Walsh

    76-75 Appleby


    Round 9:

    Appleby is nailed by right hooks and left uppercuts as Walsh literally bounds and leaps toward him. Appleby is given no quarter on the ropes, Walsh all over him like a dog on a bear. Appleby is knackered, slouching on the ropes and into Walsh, anywhere he can hang up for a rest. Time out. Glove tape fixed. Time in. HARD left jab by Walsh, orthodox for the time being, landing bang on the kisser. Appleby is jumping in step, heels up off the canvas as he circles facing up to Walsh and leans in to block the oncoming flurries. Time out again to fix Appleby's glove tape. Appleby starts to rain down hard overhand rights on Walsh!! Appleby has summoned up his reserves and is laying it all on!! Rabbit punch right hand, face scraping left hook by Appleby!! Walsh down! Not ruled a knockdown! More right hands by Appleby, relentless! Big right hand leaping up by Walsh, and left hook on the body.

    10-9 Walsh

    85-85 (with a knockdown ruling, would have been 10-8 Appleby in the 9th and 86-83 Appleby overall...without an official KD, the strong last thirty seconds of Appleby fail to offset Walsh's two solid minutes)


    Round 10:

    Walsh is staying in the right-handed stance, poking the body of Appleby with left jabs. Walsh starts whipping in right uppercuts on the body and chopping the head when Appleby leans in to clinch. Appleby is throwing wide hooks at the body of Walsh, no steam on them. BIG RIGHT HAND BY WALSH!!! LEFT AND RIGHT COAL-STOKER HOOKS ON THE BODY BY WALSH!! Appleby ties up. Walsh is killing the body. Appleby clings to him every few seconds as the ref urgently looks to pry them apart. Jab up top, right on the side by Walsh. Appleby tosses down a limp right hand, ignored by Walsh as he bodies up inside and works HARD uppercuts on the bottom of the chin. Body shots by Walsh. Appleby is hammered down to his knees, barely able to rise and beat the count, saved by the bell!!!!

    10-8 Walsh

    95-93 Walsh



    Retirement in the corner. Bravura stuff from both. :clap:


    I have it a bit narrower than any of the judges, who turned in 96-93 and 97-92 twice. I can honestly say those are reasonable.
     
  12. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    IB pretends to be a genius in every post I've seen and
    after years of posting I still don't know what he means.........are you reel....
     
  13. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ing in the years..
     
  14. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Great stuff. As a huge Steely Dan fan, I couldn't help but click on this thread!!:good
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Steely Dan rules. :good

    So what are you Campillo vs. Shumenov I & Walsh vs. Appleby scorecards? :hey