GOAT fight: December 10th, 1958

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I've little else to say. If you trust my word and have never seen this, go ahead - check it out. Watch the whole thing - not that you'd be able to do otherwise after starting it.

    If you've seen it, kudos - and chances are you probably either agree this is the greatest fight ever filmed or can acknowledge it as being up there in the conversation...

    I for one can't think of another battle that has quite as much of everything.
     
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  2. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Top ten easy. But before Moore vs Durelle I need to give the love to Ali vs Frazier III and Pryor vs Arguello I.
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I thought this may have been that fight when I saw the date, but was not certain. Have seen this one several times. Archie was the man!

    :smoke
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah, the date was probably a giveaway for anyone that's seen it. This was the FOTD by quite some distance; what's #2...St. Valentine's Massacre? :think
     
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  5. Cinderella Man

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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Would seem like a good candidate, but I'm not sure, and readily confess I'm not very well versed in non-heavyweight stuff pre-1960. (And what knowledge I do have in those areas has a weak grasp on chronology).

    But this fight was one I actually read about before I watched. I've only read a handful of boxing books, but one of the ones I did read was the Archie Moore bio (The Ageless Warrior) by Mike Fitzgerald (with an opening by Jake Lamotta that I loved, referencing Roy Jones, in particular). And the only reason I bought this book was because I was wasted one weekend at the IBHOF - with 2 friends, and we were literally the only 3 people there. And they were pushing this particular book, which I guess was fairly new about that time.

    I forget if Archie wound up being a motivational speaker for troubled kids, or something along those lines - Any Boy Can - but I remember him always using that fight as an example where he would play that fight for kids while giving inspirational lectures and teaching the kids about boxing.
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :good A great one indeed but IMO well behind the GOAT.

    That one has the give and take, and the heavy blows soaked up wholesale, and the mutual display of guts and resilience...but neither Ron nor George had the same grasp of the finer points of the craft as Yvon nor Archie.

    That's what puts the GOAT over the crest, for me: two evenly matched elites displaying tremendous courage, skill, chin and power with continuously seesawing momentum. The fact that both could box and yet went to war (as much as did Foreman and Lyle...or Gatti and Ward or some of the other immortalized rivals that elevated one another into legend punch for punch) all while preserving the refinements of technique is just incredible. In another 57 years (let alone my lifetime, just over half of that) of televised boxing we've yet to see one this good again...which is saying a mouthful when the likes of Manila and the Izzy-Rafa trilogy have graced our screens.
     
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  8. moparfan

    moparfan ESB's glass jawed fraud Full Member

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    Correct me if Ima wrong, but wasn't the Durelle-Moore fight, though Headlining, considered the B Side to the Cleroux fight...??? I vaguely recall Bert Sugar and another guy talking about it being Cleroux's "coming out fight", he was getting the press and Durelle-Moore was a mere afterthought to some...!!!
     
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  9. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Brilliant. Love this old "duke 'm out" dustups, certainly with such quality fighters.

    Can you imagine it would have been held today?
    And now imagine it with a British referee :!:
     
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  10. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What a fighter the Old Mongoose was.
     
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  11. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WTF are you talking about? **** off, troll.
     
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  12. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ive always thought this fight, or rather its importance and/or Archie's achievement getting the victory is way overblown. Growing up this was one of those legendary wars that illustrated the indomitable fighting spirit. But Durelle wasnt that good to begin with and Im not sure he was even rated when Moore defended against him. I may be wrong because I didnt check but I thought he got bumped from the ratings when he was knocked out by Tony Anthony earlier that year and Anthony had been knocked out by Moore just prior to facing Durelle. I think the only thing that made this a great fight was that Moore took a soft touch and then took him lightly and got surprised. Leaving all of the hype behind Moore should have never had so much trouble with a fighter of Durelle's calibre.
     
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  13. Drew101

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    He returned to the ratings after defeating a rated Mike Holt for the Commonwealth title. Holt was considered the next in line (Anthony had already been beaten by Moore, along with Pompey) so by defeating him, Durelle earned the shot.

    Credit to Durelle for making the most of the opportunity, even if Moore was finally beginning to fade and not taking his challenger as seriously as he should have been.
     
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  14. salsanchezfan

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    :lol:
     
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Not sure it's Moore, it looks like Bob Satterfield v Lee Oma.
    I'll get it forensically checked out by my FBI contacts at IBRO.:yep
     
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