GOAT HEAVYWEIGHTS ... When were their PRIMES ?

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  1. vincepierce

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    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Mike Tyson
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Jack Dempsey
    6. Rocky Marciano
    7. George Foreman
    8. Larry Holmes
    9. Joe Frazier
    10. Jack Johnson

    Honourable mentions :
    Sonny Liston,
    Gene Tunney,
    Evander Holyfield,
    Ezzard Charles,
    Sam Langford,
    James Jeffries


    chronologically...

    10. Jack Johnson
    5. Jack Dempsey
    2. Joe Louis
    6. Rocky Marciano
    1. Muhammad Ali
    9. Joe Frazier
    7. George Foreman
    8. Larry Holmes
    3. Mike Tyson
    4. Lennox Lewis

    all opinions welcome


    best reply so far ..

     
    vincepierce, Oct 10, 2010
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  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Some people have a different idea of what prime consists of. Some have a broadened view of prime like 86-91 Tyson rather than 86-88 Tyson. I'll just ask then do you mean a fighter's peak or their prime?
     
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  3. vincepierce

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    honestly im gonna sound stupid but whats the dif?
    il take it to mean their prime years in the sport. when inexperience and age werent a factor.
     
    vincepierce, Oct 10, 2010
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  4. naldo marshal

    naldo marshal heavyweight champ Full Member

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    but they are histories of boxing, man! They have given more values in it and inspired the next generations of it as well. so stop mocking on them!!! for I think u can't do better as they had done.
     
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  5. vincepierce

    vincepierce Guest

    huh
     
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  6. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Peak is at their highest success point....Prime is when they were at their best. I put Foreman in different...young Foreman schools old Foreman IMO. Some could argue the same with Briggs now...and especially if he beat Vitali. James Toney...when was his prime and peak.....some of the greats and weight jumpers make it a little interesting.
     
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  7. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    PRIME Lewis could not be touched. I am talking about a PRIME Lewis. Not the tired old man that got KOED by a peak PRIME Rahman or the Green Lewis who got KOED by a PEAK McCall, but a PRIME Lewis who could not ever be beaten.
     
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  8. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Lewis career showed that he was always there to be KO'd. All of the great power punchers have some kind of a chance against him, even the smaller guys. He's a big HW for history though.

    I would reserve Prime Unbeatable to guys who never got knocked out ever. Maybe lost late slipping or early learning. Lewis is always beatable...Wladimir today is dominant but always beatable as well.
     
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  9. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Muhammad Ali: Prime 1965-1975 (peak 66-67)
    2. Joe Louis: Prime 1938-1942 (peak 40-42)
    3. Mike Tyson: Prime 1986-1991 (peak 88)
    4. Lennox Lewis: Prime 1997-2001 (peak 98-00)
    5. Jack Dempsey: Prime 1918-1922 (peak 1922)
    6. Rocky Marciano: Prime 1951-1956 (peak 52-54)
    7. George Foreman: Prime 1970-1974 (peak 1973)
    8. Larry Holmes: Prime 1978-1985 (peak 1980)
    9. Joe Frazier: Prime 1967-1972 (peak 70-71)
    10. Jack Johnson: Prime 1903-1910 (peak 1908)
     
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  10. vincepierce

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    I agree. Much as i see the potential of Lewis to wreck anybody (just look at what he did to Razor Ruddock if you doubt this...) Ali never got ko'd once in a career that spanned some of boxings greatest fighters ever in their peaks. Foreman got ko'd once. by Ali. Frazier fought half blind for a lot of rounds.

    Im not taking anything away from the main guys now but you gotta remember the reason the greats are considered as such.

    I think golden era boxing is a different thing. The old days look better in black and white cos ive seen Dempsey fights that look ridiculous now. Louis is the borderline between them days and when things got real in the modern sense.
     
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  11. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    I am talking about the PRIME Lewis that NEVER EVER LOST.
     
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  12. vincepierce

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    nice. you sir are a legend. il post it on the op and see what ppl think
     
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  13. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    In his era....his prime vs prime Ali.....well I know who probably won't KO who. Lewis is not a Prime Unbeatable Fighter....Ali is, like the thread started has alluded to. :bbb
     
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  14. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Off the top of his head you think??? Or did he take your list to Boxrec and look it up.....lol there is a whole database over there with pretty complete records...though they are a chitty forum and have banned me for the current week.....all I did was insult a mod....who made insults 1st. But whatever...good research.
     
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  15. vincepierce

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    you sir are a champion too.

    PEAK MesserStick : 3000 posts - ...

    here have a cookie.
     
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