Going to attempt to FINALLY start amateur boxing on Jan. 31

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by MURDR, Jan 17, 2012.


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  1. pichuchu

    pichuchu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Strength and gaining muscle are too different things which don't neccesarily come with each other.
    Muscle gain= weight gain thats why you shouldnt try to gain muscle and cut the weight together. At the end of the day its your choice but remember sometimes doing one thng and then doing another when you finished is faster then doing two things at once
     
    pichuchu, Jan 18, 2012
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  2. lepinthehood

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    if your cutting from 240lb to about 170-180 of course you will lose strength, but you wont get hammered trying to fight someone in the superheavyweight class.
     
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  3. MURDR

    MURDR Active Member Full Member

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    Well, I know if you do it too quickly you'll lose muscle, but if I can do it at a good rate, I should be able to keep my muscle and gain more, like I've been doing. I'm stronger now at 240 than I was at 275 not even a few months ago.
     
    MURDR, Jan 18, 2012
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  4. MURDR

    MURDR Active Member Full Member

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    Also, I'm not an expert on boxing, but I do know quite a bit about weightlifting, and frankly, I enjoy lifting very much.

    I don't want to be one of those skinny twats who has no muscle but is only fast, I want to be big, fast, powerful, AND strong. Don't see what's wrong with wanting to be an ALL-AROUND beast.
     
    MURDR, Jan 18, 2012
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  5. pichuchu

    pichuchu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your choice my friend.
    Out of curiousity what are you overall goals in boxing?
     
    pichuchu, Jan 18, 2012
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  6. maddog12

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    What is so wrong with being skinny?
     
    maddog12, Jan 18, 2012
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  7. MURDR

    MURDR Active Member Full Member

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    To win. Nothing else really matters, honestly.

    As my good friend Herm Edwards once said "you play to win the game!"
     
    MURDR, Jan 18, 2012
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  8. MURDR

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    Nothing, but I don't wanna be WEAK and skinny, I wanna be strong and medium-sized.

    Yeah, being skinny has it's advantages, especially with speed, but I'd rather have a good mix of both power and speed.

    Plus, with my conditioning, I'd be better off fighting at a heavier weight, as I probably couldn't keep up with the smaller guys.

    I dunno, I just don't want to be small, and weak.
     
    MURDR, Jan 18, 2012
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  9. Jdsm

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    There is no way you are going to be able to cut to a good fighting weight and not lose muscle. Sorry.
     
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  10. MURDR

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    Why not? I've done it with almost 50 pounds now...
     
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  11. MURDR

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    I definitely understand what you guys are saying, and I agree muscle isn't everything, but can people really not see how it'd be advantageous to have both speed AND muscle?
     
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  12. Jdsm

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    Because muscle doesn't = strength?

    If you can cut that much weight, without losing muscle tissue, go and sell your secret to the bodybuilding world, you'll be a rich man.
     
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  13. lepinthehood

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    lol of course we can. but your not going to a beast at lightheavy without decent boxing skills and great conditioning, and i guarantee it wont help being that strong when you cant land a glove on your opponent. you have to find the right balance. when i first started again i thought i would be a middleweight 70-75kgs then when the fat and bulk come off me i realised i would get destroyed in that weight, now im weighing in at 67-70kg ( could still lose a bit)i feel capable of handling myself and sparring with smaller quicker opponents will only help for my speed.
     
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  14. MURDR

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    It's not impossible. It's hard, but not impossible, you just have to do it right.

    But like I said, I'm not just willing to say "that's just how it is", and accept the fact that I'll lose muscle. No, that's for pussies. Stagnation is for weak-minded individuals who will never reach their potential.

    That's just how I feel. I'm a perfectionist when it comes to strength (not aesthetics, hat's just nasty-looking in extremes), and I'd never sacrifice a significant amount of strength just so I could gain a little more speed...it's not worth it.

    Instead, I'd rather do things slowly, and ensure that I am both fast AND strong.
     
    MURDR, Jan 18, 2012
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  15. Jdsm

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    Nobody is saying you can't be fast and strong, but rather questioning why you want to gain muscle.

    I thought you powerlifted 'for a living', surely you can differentiate?
     
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