Goldenboy/ Mayweather/ Montoya drug testing stuff: Updated - Big News?

You are a total tool. "anonymous sources" are an old trick? What do you know about being a journalist, you little cum stain?

Claiming something is from an anonymous source is a way of using what a source has said without putting them on the record. The most famous recent case was David Kelly.

And he's a great example of why you need to do it, because they get hounded, threatened, and exploited. Considering the people involved in this, if they work in the industry (a small, incestuous one), no source would be too keen on being public.

Why should these people expose themselves just to make you happy?

 

I'm not stopping anyone from discussing it, just saying that anyone who believes it is naive.

Money might not have been mentioned in the letter, but what it implies is definitely shady. If a boxer tested positive in the build up to a fight, there's no way the doping agency wouldn't notify the commission. Letting a fight go on would be criminal...what if the cheating boxer seriously injured the other boxer?

For one the anti-doping agencies don't have to disclose anything to a promotional body unless it's their fighter involved. They aren't working for the promotional bodies, they're officially working for the boxing commissions. The only "contracts" I can think of are the disclosure ones, giving the promotional company the right to be given information regarding boxers.

As for the second allegation, and the even more ridiculous one...it's not for the anti-doping bodies to determine what is inadvertent use or not, how would they even know? That's for the governing bodies of each sport. All USADA the others do is determine whether illegal exogenous compounds are present in an athlete at any given time. For them to decide by themselves a boxer's use of a PED was "inadvertent" and not disclose it to the sports body would be 100% criminal.

I can't be arsed going into the details of it, my first post got deleted when I posted it. But it's bull****, and distracts from the real questions about Mayweather's (or Pacquiao's) potential use.

This is true, anyone in boxing who claims not to know what testosterone or testosterone therapy is needs to be viewed with suspicion.

I wonder how long the USADA keep samples for. In Olympic tests, samples are kept for a year or so. It would be interesting to test Mayweather's older samples from previous fights with the carbon isotope test for exogenous testosterone, if they weren't tested already.

 

Right....so there's a whistle blower working for the USADA who's uncovered a secret contract that proves they've got shady dealings with GBP, and that Mayweather tested positive 3 times in the past. Instead of going public with it or just leaking it to the mainstream media, he decides to tell a random mexican dude with a website about it, on the condition of anonymity, and doesn't provide him with any evidence whatsoever.

Muppet

 

Hes a fairly well known journalist in boxing circles

Some dude just isnt going to lose his job going on the record about it

Hes alledging a conspiracy of sorts that is happening. Hes alluding to the contention that Mayweather didnt 'fail' the tests per-se, he would have been recorded negative, what they are saying is the USADA doesnt release levels of testosterone like VADA, simply a yes or no.

If they are being truthful that the tests are negative, whilst getting $ from goldenboy / mayweather, then its in their interests to shut up

 

Providing a copy of the documentation would be a breach of employment terms, resulting in immediate dismissal and a slim chance of ever working in that industry again. Yeah, I'd be desperate to provide a copy!

Use your brain. There's no point going public with it because there's no money in it to survive the inevitable firing that will follow. There is nothing illegal with these exceptions, it's just deeply immoral.

MaxBoxing's Montoya is hardly random, he was the replacement for Doug Fischer when he jumped ship to The Ring. He's proved himself a good journalist, with good contacts and a tendency to ask difficult questions. He's not exposing anything, he asking questions based on what his sources have told him.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

If Goldenboy hire USADA, they can stipulate whatever they want in the contracts about disclosure. USADA are nothing to do with the commission unless they are hired by the commission, or working in partnership with them. It's my understanding that most commissions have their own basic testing that they perform post fight, regardless of VADA or USADA being involved on the fighters side. USADA work for Floyd or GBP, not Nevada.

The issue with Lamont Peterson was that he hadn't yet been granted an NSAC license when the fact that he had failed VADA tests became public. VADA had no obligation to NSAC as I understand it. Only to the athletes and promoter who hired them.

 

You're talking a lot of sense here.

 

It's also of note that VADA said in regards to the Peterson case that they would be breaching Petersons rights if they told Khan about the positive tests. It was only when Petersons team told the promoter about the tests that Khan found out.

So in THEORY, Floyd could fail a test, inform his promoter and they could handle it internally. They could go to the testing body and say "don't worry, we'll take it from here, Floyd has explained about an exemption. Oh, and remember your confidentiality stipulation..."

Nobody is any the wiser. *Just an example* I'm not suggesting Floyd is doing that.

 

No wonder floyd wanted usada to test him and pac

 

If you're going by that logic, why disclose anything at all? He could have just sat on the information and no one would have been the wiser.

Mayweather isn't a small name, he's one of the most recognised sportsmen in the world today. I don't think a small time boxing journalist is the correct outlet to out GBP and USADA.

I meant money as in cash. Can't say anything about the Quilin situation, haven't been following much boxing news recently.

Sonnen was found to be positive by USADA, it was the commission that gave him the TUE.

That's not strictly true. We know VADA were reporting to NSAB directly - the letter regarding Peterson's results that was leaked online was addressed to NSAB and not to GBP.