Goldenboy/ Mayweather/ Montoya drug testing stuff: Updated - Big News?

You're right, I think. That's why Floyd, Roger and Floyd came out with those baseless accusations, but I believe Manny and Arum would have taken the fight then. He looked sensational stopping Cotto and would have been a slight favourite IMO.

 

Well I've lost interest and I'm not one for getting over-excited about boxing politics too often.

Generally Floyd makes for dull fights, the Cotto fight aside (and really that was down to Miguel anyway). Manny hasn't been as scintillating since knocking the stuffing out of Margarito.

The Bradley fight could be a stinker because of Timmy's Hopkins-like ability to slow a fight down to his preferred pace. Who's Floyd going to fight next? It won't be Martinez, the one fight I would like to see him take and a genuine achievement to cap his career.

 

TBH mate id be surprised if there were any top 50 u.s boxers who aint taking PEDs.

 

Agreed.

 

I wonder how widespread PED use was in boxing before the 90's
They didn't have sophisticated drug testing methods back then

 

It's widespread in all of sports.

 

Francis, you seem like the type of freak that would have read about this


Has there ever been a long term study of the residual effects of performancing enhancing drugs?

For example, the benifits you get from taking the PEDS - A fighter goes away and takes a programme of steroids for 2 years without fighting, then starts competing but stops the use of those drugs for the rest of his career;

- Has he permanently increased his muscle capacity (after all they dont actually 'improve' your muscles just their ability to train) , his 'base' level of fitness and maximum capacity in a permanent sense? Or is it a 'cycle' where those muscles adapt to the benifits of the PEDS but would eventually return to their natural capacity?

 

I always thought that Floyd being so adamant that nobody could progress through the weights the way that Manny did without PEDs was a bizaare statement. When you consider that Floyd moved up more or less the same amount, why would he be so sceptical it couldn't be done naturally?

I don't want to slur an innocent mans name by saying I think Floyd's done PED's, but I'd go as far as to say I wouldn't be that surprised if he had.

Part of it is that if you look at any industry, the top guys (i.e. best drug developers) want to make the most money. The advantages of these drugs are small percentages in performance, maybe 5%. You can't juice say a Lovemore N'dou and make him a world beater. You might make him a bit more durable, a bit more athletic, but your wasting your time because he is never going to make big enough money out of being 5% better.

Bearing in mind the vast amounts these drugs cost to develop, you have to be selling them to big money guys for it make financial sense. Juice Paul McCloskey and he might last an extra round against Khan, but you can't juice McCloskey enough to make him beat Amir. And juicing Derry Mathews to beat Anthony Crolla just isn't feasible because of the massive cost of it and the relatively small money at domestic level. So the people who are using PED's are in or around that elite circle of big money fighters who can generate big cash. Really, aside from the Klitschko's all the big money matchups are lingering a few divisions either side of welterweight, so it makes sense that any juicers would be there.

Conte was saying these drugs run into big six figure sums to devise a full programme over say a 12 month cycle. That rules out 95% of fighters purely on purchasing power.

 

Is freak being used in an affectionate way? That hurt otherwise.

I know a little about PEDs, but mostly from my body-building mates. My understanding is that you need to stay on the drugs to retain the benefits. It's mostly recovery time and muscle rebuilding, post-training. Your muscles rebuild the fibres faster if you have protein and your supplements.

For a high-intensity, interval based sport like boxing though... I just don't know.

I suspect "No" to the long-term study, unless it was with those suffering a sporting injury or similar.

 

Affectionately, of course. I insult people who I know (even very very vaguely). I cant explain it.

Thats interesting.

Interesting too what DanielJFiasco said there, regards the economics of it, but I would also say the economics work both ways in the sense that the lower the standard, the less rigorous the testing procedures would be and the easier it would be to get away with if you were using 'blunt' PEDs.

Id also venture a guess to say boxing as a sport would be difficult to PED-up in, as it asks a complete diverse set of physicaly attributes within the context of making weight too. For example EPO and 10,000m runners go hand in hand. Is boxings EPO testosterone?

 

I very much doubt the benefits of PED's are long term, when you stop taking them

 

Considering Bruce Lee drank bulls blood I doubt steroids were all that prevalent pre-90s.

Steve Kim has a hunch that it was the 90s when it really got big.

 

A potentially sad day for the sport