Golovkin, Abel and Tom destroying the career of Canelo

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  1. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You should probably read the actual statement before repeating over and over lies because VADA did not make any statement about the test result being consistent with meat.
     
  2. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As Daniel Eichner, Director of SMRTL, the WADA-accredited lab that conducted the tests stated in his letter today, ‘These values are all within the range of what is expected from meat contamination.’
     
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    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And where does it say VADA in that????
     
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  5. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It sure is taking you a long time to go thru the alphabet between V and W?
     
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  6. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They don't understand this.. Not believing Canelo tested positive due to meat contamination isn't proof in court...
     
  7. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Remember almost the entirety of the the US boxing fan community was backing Floyd when he claimed Pac was on PEDs (who never tested positive!) The same guys are now attacking GGG for claiming Canelo is cheating after Canelo was officially and unequivocally tested positive! This is hilarious!
     
  8. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And don't forget these same douchebags defended Fluid when he was caught with IV bags.
     
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  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The difference is that (in Floyd's own words) Pacquiao went from "ordinary" to "extraordinary" in a relatively short period of time. There was more of a visual transformation in Pacquiao's build that made Floyd believe that he was on something. Canelo didn't all of a sudden become "ripped" looking like Pacquiao did.

    With Canelo, you didn't see the kind of physical / muscle transformation we saw in Pacquiao during his prime. With Canelo it was always more about how was he able to make 154 for so long and rehydrate so much after the weigh-in. With Pacquaio, at least in Floyd's mind, it was how did he all of a sudden become so muscular after being so ordinary looking earlier in his career.

    Also it's important to point out that :

    An official familiar with Alvarez's testing history said the former two-division world champion has been tested 59 total times by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency in previous fights, with four tests being "in competition," on fight week, and more than 20 tests requiring a blood draw.

    Back in Pacquiao's prime, when Floyd made his accusations, VADA wasn't involved in the sport like it is now, fighters weren't being tested like Canelo and other fighters are now, so it is unclear if Pacquiao was being tested at all back then, when Floyd made his accusations and Floyd refused to fight him if he wasn't.

    So you are trying to compare two completely different situations, Pacquiao looking ripped "to the gills" in 2009-2010 while not being enrolled in any kind of testing to Canelo being tested 59 times over a long period of time and then testing positive for trace amounts of clenbuterol consistent with eating contaminated meat.

    You can say Pacquiao never tested positive but part of the problem was that he wasn't being tested so we didn't know what he was on. Canelo on the other hand has actually been tested over a long period of time and tested cleanly each and every time until last month. So it's like saying a high school dropout is better than a high school graduate because he "never got an F on a pop quiz". Well he never failed a pop quiz because he wasn't in school, he never had to take the tests. A high school graduate may have failed a pop quiz once or twice but he still was in school for 4 years and completed the program. Pacquiao wasn't involved in VADA so we'll never know what he was on. Thats the difference and why it's nothing like how you are trying to portray it and compare the two situations.
     
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  10. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    I find it incredible that Canelo could even consider suing GGG for stating the obvious. GGG is the guy who has to step into the ring with someone who has failed two drug tests. Anyone else, like Povetkin, would have been DQ'd. Canelo gets treated with kid gloves at every turn. It is not right. What should happen in this case is the fight should be rescheduled and Canelo should be tested every day until fight day, and day of. This fight should be rescheduled and any costs incurred should be covered by Canelo's team.
     
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  11. sparta

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    Can someone please show me clear evidence that ggg said this? Clear evidence? Anyone can write up a bit of bull**** and say ggg said it. Ggg & team seem way smarter than that, i hope.
     
  12. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    You deserve props for delivering a very pointed reply with good arguments. Thank you!
     
  13. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And you think they just opened up with the tainted meat theory out of the blue? If they said it's consistent with the meat, that's because they were asked specifically about the meat and Canelo's level.

    There needs to be a full investigation (If there isn't one going on already). The testing labs do not do investigation. That's not their job. They simply gave their opinion on a possibility, not a full on conclusion.
     
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  14. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed but if that's the case then surely GGG cant publically accuse him of drug use before any investigation has proved that to be the case?

    GGG has put it out there and I can see why Golden Boy wont stand for that.
     
  15. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He can. And the onus of proving innocence in on the one who failed a test. Just because a lab says it's in line w/ meat contamination does not indicate that's the only conclusion as to how it got in Canelo's system.

    The NSAC should be doing a full investigation in to this. With the possibility of suspension of canelo. His star power, and the money it brings to vegas, are the only things keeping this going.
     
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