Golovkin, Abel and Tom destroying the career of Canelo

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  1. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Want to bet on it?
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    pffft, literally had no flipping clue what he was talking about. Had no idea what the IOC's range was. Tried to act like tainted meat could only be 50 picograms, lol last year the IOC said contaminated meat could be anything below 1,000 picograms.

    thesmokingm's credibility is dropping fast. Can't wait to see how he tries to twist his way out of this one . . .
     
  3. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Seeing as you're dishing out 'facts' can you provide any kind of number relating to the amount of meat you'd have to eat to have a positive test in the same range as Alvarez' failed tests?
     
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  4. Angler Andrew

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    Canelo should go and find a butcher with some doped up meat and tell the world he ate the stuff for breakfast,dinner and tea lol.
    I think what really gets up folks noses about this is that it’s ok to suspend a non earner like Browne but when a hundred million dollars is on the line everyone loses out we’re they to deal with Canelo in the same way,drug testing agencies,sponsors,WBA,WBC,IBF,IBO,the venue,Telivision rights and that’s just the tip of the ice berg,I get it,really I do but it stinks to high heaven.
    Find it strange how some on here would blame GGG were this not to happen lol
     
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  5. Thread Stealer

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    They aren’t destroying his career, come on now. Canelo took PEDs (or ate bad meat lol), which makes him similar to a shitload of other boxers and other athletes out there. He just got caught. Unless GGG-Canelo 2 turns into a brutal fight or some dominating performance where Canelo’s performances go down big-time afterwards, like Duran-Moore or Tito-Reid, this hardly looks like Canelo’s career is being “destroyed”.

    Canelo will likely be in some big fights after this, win or lose.
     
  6. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dude, this moron again? That 1k picograms is a cutoff the IOC used to remove athletes from WADA's load from the Olympics numbnuts. That has nothing to do with anything else but the fact that the whole Bejing Olympics got spiked with Clenbuterol due to China's massive use of Clenbuterol you dumbass. That does not mean there is a threshold limit wtf. Clenbuterol is a zero tolerance drug.
     
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  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you have any idea how pathetic and clueless you sound? And the namecalling "moron" "dumbass" Listen to yourself.

    You were fact checked and exposed as a poster of falsehoods. Deal with It! How many times do I have to link you to the WADA statement :

    https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2017-04/wada-statement-on-ard-documentary

    The IOC Re-Analysis Program for 2008 Beijing Olympic Games occurred in 2016. What they did was they re-analyzed samples from the athletes in the 2008 Beijing Olmypics.
    • Out of the 4,800 samples taken at the Games, 1,053 were re-analysed.
    • Re-analysis is always performed with improved analytical methods . . .
    Now put on your thinking cap for a moment and really think long and hard about what this means. That means in this re-testing they use the most up to date standards of testing.
    • As the Results Management Authority, the IOC reported these Provisional Analytical Findings (PAFs) to WADA in April 2016.
    What we are concerned with is this statement below :
    • All of the values were below 1ng/ml and therefore in the range of potential meat contamination cases.
    It states that when they did the re-analysis in 2016, the IOC (and in turn WADA since they reported the findings to WADA) considered anything below 1ng/ml in the range of potential meat contamination. -understand ? WADA is making the public aware in this press release last year that this is the standard as of 2016/ 2017 as to what they and the olympic committee consider possibly from contaminated meat. (not some BS about whatever you're trying to spin it as lmao)

    You're now just trying to create this fairytale story about how it's not a threshold limit because you don't like how I called you out and proved what you said was wrong. Face it, when you said about 600-800 picograms being off the scale in terms of what is considered possibly from contaminated meat was complete and utter bollocks. You made that up trying to sound smart like you knew what you were talking about, and then I made you aware that the IOC and WADA consider anything below 1,000 picograms in the range of potential meat contamination !

    You can try to twist and spin your way out of this till your blue in the face, but it won't change what the IOC and WADA clearly state is their threshold for what they consider possibly meat contamination. (as of 2016/2017)

    So whatever stunt your trying to pull by saying it's a "cutoff the IOC used to remove athletes from WADA's load from the Olympics" is just more of your BS know-it-all unwilling to admit your wrong persona popping out again to sound like you're smarter than everyone else and the 1,000 threshold limit is code for this and you know what it really means and it's really this and not that and some complete and utter nonsense trying to save face after being comprehensively schooled by yours truly on what WADA and the IOC considers the limit, the threshold whatever you want to call it.

    It's right there in writing, it's not about the whole Bejing Olympics getting spiked with Clenbuterol due to China's massive use of Clenbuterol whatever that's supposed to mean, it's simply an opportunity that shows WADA and the IOC telling us the public what they consider their range of potential meat contamination to be. Not in 2008 at Beijing, not becuase of this or that, but in 2016 when the IOC did the re-analysis of the samples and in 2017 when WADA reported on it and re-iterated what they consider the range of possible contaminated meat to be. When they did the re-analysis, that was the standard they used for what they considered possibly from contaminated meat. (not your 50 picograms)
     
  8. thesmokingm

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    Hey douchebag, read it carefully. That keyword is "potential" that doesn't mean it is a threshold or cutoff as you are clearly trying to twist. Again, the IOC is culling the number of possible meat contamination results to protect their athletes. No where does it say that any sample found below this number equates to a pass. Clearly you are a ****ing troll since if Clenelo's samples were under a threshold then he would not have been found to have failed two test. Are you really this ****ing dense???

    All of the values were below 1ng/ml and therefore in the range of potential meat contamination cases.
     
  9. shadow111

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    The namecalling hurts your own credibility. Who would believe someone who has no self respect and constantly needs to hurl insults while making their points?

    Obviously being under that limit doesn't equate a pass! Duhh ! But being under that limit DOES equate to being in the range of possible meat contamination!Meaning, somebody who tests at 600-800 picograms isn't "off the scales" as to what could possibly be meat contamination.

    Your responses are bizarre, he failed two tests because there is no threshold for testing positive, we are talking about the threshold (1,000 picograms) for what a positive test is considered to be possibly due to contaminated meat. And you're calling me dense and a troll sheesh, your responses demonstrate exactly that. Get your act together man, you've made a complete mockery of yourself, but I'm not complaning because in the process you've driven me to research the topic and now we know what the contaminated meat limit for clenbutrol is! So something good has come from your complete and utter buffoonery.
     
  10. thesmokingm

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    There is no threshold ya moron. Stop quoting me and trying to lie over and over. I call you a moron because you are acting like one.
     
  11. shadow111

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    There's no threshold for testing positive!

    However, there is a threshold (1,000 picograms) for what a positive test is considered to be possibly due to contaminated meat.

    How do you not understand this very basic and obvious point?
     
  12. thesmokingm

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    You don't have a point. You took a number from the ARD statement of the culling of results meant for a whole different situation and are lying thru your teeth to apply it to save Clenelo. The fact is your walls of text mean **** to anyone reading. None of what you write matters one iota. It's up to NSAC. Everyone who voted 10:1 has made up their minds, so **** off.
     
  13. GlaukosTheHammer

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    :lol: Yeah a PEDs scandal is gonna tank his career.

    New PEDs scandal every month....we ain't gonna have any stars inside a year. Because PEDs ruin careers.
     
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  14. shadow111

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    You're delusional. It stated what the IOC and WADA consider to be the range of possible meat contamination. It's not about anything other than the fact that IOC and WADA consider anything under 1ng/ml, or 1,000 picograms to be possibly caused by meat contamination. That's it, you're trying to deflect from that by talking about completely unrelated stuff to that fact, because you were wrong when you said 600-800 picograms was off the scales to what could be from contaminated meat and you cannot bring yourself to admit you were wrong. Everybody reading this can clearly see what IOC and WADA consider as that threshold. The limit for what could possibly be contaminated meat is 1,000 picograms, not 50 picograms like you thought it was.
     
  15. thesmokingm

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    Man you are a troubled fool.

    Since you missed it, what Dr. Daniel Eichner implied is that the second result has the potential to be meat contamination due to its low level however the first test amount was such a higher level that this needs to be investigated. For the mentally impaired, that means the first test sample is not in line with meat contamination, otherwise why would he specifically call for further investigation.

    You know how to answer direct questions?

    Tell you what, you prove your lies by showing in verbage from WADA that 1k pg is the cut off and anything below is not considered a positive and then you can write whatever the **** you want.
     
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