Golovkin, Abel and Tom destroying the career of Canelo

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know you are but what am I?
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    You seemed to be getting confused rather easily between testing positive and what the range of possible contaminated meat is.

    Brainiac, there's no cutoff as to what is not considered a positive test. Anything above 0.00000 picograms is considered a positive test. The cutoff is what levels a positive test is considered possibly due to contaminated meat. That cutoff is 1,000 picograms per WADA and the IOC. Get it?
     
  2. thesmokingm

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    Wrong. That 1k pg is cut off for the results from Bejing, not for all cases. Show your proof that that is for all cases. Right now go Google it, I dare. Again and again you can't prove anything just run around in circles huh?
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh dear . . .

    https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2017-04/wada-statement-on-ard-documentary

    There have been hundreds of cases – limited to a number of countries where contamination is known to be an issue and where the athletes would have resided, trained and/or competed; and, these cases have been treated in the same way as those identified through the Beijing Re-Analysis Program.
     
  4. thesmokingm

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    There you go again citing the ARD. Try again. Go find it in the rules, you know its what is written in the rules, aka the WADA Code that matters right?
     
  5. thesmokingm

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    And while you're at it, can you answer why the lab director of that great WADA lab asked for "further investigation?"

    Can you shed light on this? I thought it was ok below 1k pg?

    And roflmao, you had to ask me for the sample amounts because while you were writing a 100 post defending Clenelo, you didn't even know what the amounts were lol.
     
  6. shadow111

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    They don't list this information in the rules. They made it clear however in that WADA Statement on ARD Documentary what they consider the range of potential meat contamination to be. (anything under 1ng/ml or 1,000 picograms)
     
  7. thesmokingm

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    Then it don't mean ****, sherlock. Oh and "potential" does not equal same as. But if its potential why did that damn lab director say they needed further investigation bro? I thought it was duh, everyone knew? Did he not know? OMG?>?>
     
  8. shadow111

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    It means that Canelo's 600-800 picograms is well within what WADA and the IOC consider to be consistent with eating contaminated meat.
     
  9. thesmokingm

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    Then why did the lab director not say that? Why'd he instead ask for "further investigation?" Hey man, you should at least answer this one obvious question. Weren't you quoting this Dr. Eichner for 10 pages???
     
  10. shadow111

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    Yes I can answer that. He asked for further investigation to determine (you guessed it) whether or not Canelo ingested contaminted meat. As WADA states, proving that there was intake of pharmacological clenbuterol is required for there to be punishment.

    Cases are regularly reported and sanctioned when it is proven that the clenbuterol is of pharmacological origin.
     
  11. thesmokingm

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    Wrong again. You really are a dishonest **** aren't you?

    That said I'm done, wasted too much time watching you run around in circles. It was hilarious at first, but now it's just pathetic.
     
  12. shadow111

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    I'm looking at the letter shared on Dan Rafael's twitter right in front of me.

    After "Further investigation is needed to make a final determination" it says "I have also spoken with NSAC Executive Director Bob Bennett this morning".

    If you have a full statement where you're saying Eichner makes it clear what the final determination is about then provide a link of the full statement.
     
  13. shadow111

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    In any event, you're getting caught up in semantics. He's asking for further investigation to look at the circumstances of what caused the positive test. That may include why the first test was so much higher than the second test, the investigation will determine if it was due to contaminated meat and will find out information like how soon the first test was after he ate the contaminated meat.

    Just read the WADA ARD statement, it makes it quite clear why further investigation is needed in cases of clenbuterol.
     
  14. Above Deck

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    It could happen. If Canelo was in fact on PEDS for their first fight, then its reasonable to assume that he probably won't be for their second fight. GGG may just be too strong this time round.
     
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  15. oldcanvasback

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    I heard Michael Montero say that Canelo's been tested 59 times before and this is the first time he's had a positive result. It may mean he's never taken PED's before or it may mean he's very good at hiding what he's taking.
    It's likely to been a clean fight b/c he's been tested a heap of times since the positive result and will continue to be up until the fight. I have no idea if what he had taken will still be helping him by fight time though.