"Golovkin has to move up" -wrong. Lemme cut you off there. He actually doesn't, ever.

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  1. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    So being a 1 division champion is better than being a 3 division champ?:blood of course Tito's legacy was enhanced by moving up opposed to staying at 147..:conf
     
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  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Poor comparisons .

    Walters was gigantic at 125lbs. Dawson didn't make 168 in over 7 years.

    Smith was after a long lay off . A fight 4 pounds over 168 was advisable before going back down. Since GGG ruled himself out , there was no point . Ward already cleaned out that division.
    Onto another which has a massive defining fight available to him.
    Going up a single division isn't that much of a stretch. But a Kovalev fight is.

    Thats the difference between Ward and Glovbum. One has a full sack. The other has an empty sack.
     
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  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    It makes them more great than if they didn't climb a weight.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It's all well and fine when you have a Henry Armstrong or Manny Pacquiao finish miles ahead of where he started, trading lumps with naturally much bigger men and coming out victorious. Yes, very cute. Golf clap. Wonderful.

    Stop expecting that to be the standard every boxer is held to. :roll: Jesus. It ceases to be special if everybody does it, and the context/situation doesn't always call for it. Sometimes you get more respect & credit for staying in a division that your adult body is suited to and facing everybody there than for arbitrarily going up to face bigger (but inferior, and/or contractually disadvantaged) men.
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Not necessarily. Not as a blanket rule, devoid of context. No. You're wrong.
     
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  6. drenlou

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    No. I disagree. Especially when you're very vocal about beating or koing anybody from 154-168. Fans are not fools, and in this day and age where boxing is supposedly a dying sport, The popular guy will definitely help the sport by moving up eventually, and we can argue all day about it, but GGG will definitely move up imo. Just watch.
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    To be fair, isn't that mostly Abel Sanchez playing hype man?

    Has there been an interview where Golovkin himself makes the 154-168 boasts?
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Drenlou let me ask you a question after watching Derevyanchenko, didn't it make you want to see him in against GGG? Now imagine the division heating up with at least 7-10 more guys who are either around Sergiy's level or just below that you may have not watched yet, doesn't that give you something to look forward to as well? Also add in guys like J-Rock, Andrade, Charlo and Soro who are too big for JMW at this point anyway. GGG could have a hell of a resume taking the souls of one young lion after another for at least the next 4 or 5 years..
     
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  9. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    id like to think if sanchez is saying it that theres some sort of cohesiveness to the statement.......I mean loeffler keeps floating 168 names man.....are you not seeing him mention Hopkins, degale and zurdo(several times over the last month or so)?
     
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  10. drenlou

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    It's not just Pac or Armstrong doing these things. It's fighters like Chavez Sr, Mayweather, DE LA Hoya, Jones, Toney,Loma, Hopkins, Pavlik, Martinez, Cotto, Mosley that are doing these things and are among the best of the best. GGG will have to move up, and I think he understands this. Times have changed, this isn't the 80s anymore.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You didn't even mention Lara!!!

    ...or Pirog (we can dream :D)
     
    IntentionalButt, Jun 10, 2016
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Wait, what? Who the hell remembers Pavlik as anything other than a middleweight? :lol: The rest of his career was completely irrelevant.

    Also, half those guys you mentioned didn't move up "to be great". They moved up because they started out very small, turning pro young, and then grew into their adult bodies. Pac was a scrawny teen when in the fly range. Cotto debuted at 140lbs and increasingly had difficulty making it, and was, going by his peak-of-prime, a natural welterweight (and there did the lion's share of work to carve out his legacy). Mosley started at lightweight and had epic potential there but didn't have a prayer of making it as his man-strength filled out. You act like these guys all followed some valiant path of challenging themselves against bigger men that you then feel ought to be proscribed for all boxers, when the reality is lots of guys simply OUTGROW divisions and that explains about 90% of moving up in weight. (with the rest being chasing paydays, often at the expense of the bigger fighter with catch-weights and other stipulations)
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    On purpose.:yep


    .....dreaming about the return of Pirog brings to mind Leslie Nielsen's final line in Creepshow.:dead
     
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  14. drenlou

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    A matter of fact GGG was the one who said this 3 years ago, and just recently Gayble 'dirty' Sanchez stated nobody from 154-168 goes 12 with GGG. Now that's a bold statement any way you want to perceive it. And he should be held to those standards, because we both know if it Had been Floyd (for example) to say something like that, think about how many threads would be infesting the general forum?
     
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  15. drenlou

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    Damn...Imagine if they had fought in '12 or '13? (Pirog vs GGG):verysad
     
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