Golovkin is starting to become a cherry picker

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  1. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Indeed. Ward won the olympic gold medal @ LHW in 2004, he cleaned out the SMW division establishing himself as the legitimate champion. The natural move is to go @ LHW and make some noise there.
     
  2. BEATDOWNZ

    BEATDOWNZ Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Nobody needs Ward at SMW. Fact.

    Froch can fill STADIUMS without him.

    Groves and Degale can win legit titles without him.

    Ditto for Kessler.

    Dirrell can fight either of the above.

    Ditto for Abraham.
     
  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Exactly, there's more of a case for Ward to move up a division than for GGG who still has plenty to do in his own at the moment.
     
  4. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    :deal

    thread closed.
     
  5. chitownfightfan

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  6. chitownfightfan

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  7. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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  8. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why would he fight Ward? Who the hell is Ward? Does he have any fans? It just woudn't make sense fighting some inactive guy who ducked GGG in the past, for no money in some garage in Oklahoma, Oakland or wherever h is from because he refuses to fight anywhere else. Ward is nothing compared to GGG.

    If I can fight Cotto, JCC or Canelo and making millions, why would I fight Ward, making around 100k and probably waste time because Ward would duck him again anyway? See what happened to Fury, how much time he wasted because of Haye and Chisora.
     
  9. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not to mention that like Hagler, GGG never drained down to lighter wieght classes beginning his career.

    He's as natural a MW as there has been since Marvin, and unlike Sergio, Chavez Jr, Canelo etc.....he didnt shed pounds to beat down smaller fighters building his record while winning titles at lower weight classes.

    Had he started at 147, which he definelty could have back in 06, he coulda beaten guys like MargoCHEATO and Cotto back then at 147 and then moved up to face guys like Karmazin, Spinks, and Phillips en route to dominating the LMW division before finally moving up to his natural weight class against the Ouma's, Geales, Sturms, and Jacobs back in 2011.

    He'd probably be 45(40)-0 by now, a 3 division world champion and the p4p concensus #1 ATM had his early career been more carefully manufactured. :think
     
  10. antonio plaisir

    antonio plaisir the detonator Full Member

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    it can't hurt to wait and see if he ever fights again 1st, surely? have you not noticed ward only pipes up when someone else is fighting?
     
  11. Hulkamania

    Hulkamania What ya gonna do!!! Full Member

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    My only issue with hardcore GGG fans is the following:

    Tripple GGG doesn't want to move up to fight ward at 168 but would fight Chavez at 168 = Good Business Move

    Cotto fighting Canelo in a huge mega fight = Scared of GGG
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Well Cotto is the Lineal MW Champion and instead of fighting the obvious No. 1 contender, he wants to drag Canelo up from LMW.

    Not fighting the obvious No.1 guy in your division vs GGG wanting to test the waters in a division he hasn't fought in yet, makes perfect sense to me why Cotto looks like a ***** and GGG does not.
     
  13. Hulkamania

    Hulkamania What ya gonna do!!! Full Member

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    Okay... so GGG saying... I am ready to face chaves but no ward isn't the same? It's the same thing....

    PS: Cotto has been the Middleweight Champion since the Summer and is now facing Canelo, that is not a step back in my opinion. Canelo is in his prime... and even with Canelo on his resume....

    Prime Canelo is better than any fighter GGG has fought at 160.. true or false? True...
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Personally I would give Geale and Rubio a decent chance to beat Canelo. And I'm a fan of Canelo, but he lacks the power to hurt most LMW when he's clearly the bigger guy, he's quite a bit smaller than most legit MW's.
     
  15. Serge

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    Andre Ward, 2012.

    "I am ready to fight the best 168- and 175-pounders that are out there," Ward told ESPN.com in a recent interview. "At this point, a big fight at 175 is interesting to me. I don't want to go up just to go up. But for the right fight, for a big fight, I would go up. I'm willing to fight anyone at '68 or '75."

    And again

    “People ask me on the street or on Twitter when I'm coming back,” said Ward, who is expecting his fourth child with wife Tiffiney in mid-June. “Well, I'm coming. I want Bute but I'm ready for any big fight at 168 or 175 pounds.”

    Andre Ward, 2011

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    Virgil Hunter 2013

    ''Any fighter who walks around at 178-9 (10 lbs off the weight) is just not a LHW yet''.

    ''We won't let people force us to move up in weight until we're ready. Dre is just not a LHW yet.''

    But Ward said he was ready for anyone at 168-175.

    But they want Golovkin who walks around at about 170 to move up to 175 for a fight against Ward?

    Why did he also say that ''Not once have we ever said that we'd fight everyone from '68' to '75?''?

    Why does Ward keep dismissing some of the most worthy opponents out there for him (reigning world champions in his own division and linear ones a division North of it) as ''unworthy'' and insist that they have to ''win more big fights'' or fight ''One or two A class opponents'' before they get their shot at him'', but MW hype jobs who by his own admission were only the ''number 2 or 3 in the division'' are fully deserving of a crack at him?

    Why were Dmitri Sartison, MW Caleb Truax, Stanyslav Kashtanov, shot drunk Pavlik, Edwin Rodriguez, Brian Vera's son Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., and MW hype job Golovkin all worthy opponents for Ward but linear LHW champ Adonis Stevenson (who was fresh off a spectacular ''star making performance'' one punch KO of Chad Dawson and had called him out during his post-fight interview live on HBO when Ward was in the arena doing the commentary for the fight) and IBF SMW champ Lucian Bute (who Ward said was the only fight out there for the winner of the Super Six and headed over to the US with the intention of trying to secure a fight against Ward in Oakland and take a pay cut) were not?

    Stevenson didn't just issue a direct call out to Ward whilst he was in attendance doing commentary for his fight against Dawson, his team even made Ward an offer, offering to drop back down to SMW (for the first of a two fight deal) and even go to Ward's hometown where Ward is allowed to fight to a rule book he wrote himself.

    Ward's response

    ''Stevenson doesn’t have the track record to warrant a title fight. He won’t get a shot until he has won some big fights.”

    Um.. he's the linear LHW champion and he just iced the former one in 76 seconds.

    Why did he say this about Chavez Jr.

    "That's the fight that fans want to see. I don't necessarily think they want to see him and [Sergio] Martinez again. It was a great 12th round but it's pretty much going to be the same fight. [Chavez is] busting out of 160, he's coming to 168. If he comes to 168 then I think we should see each other. I think that's a mega, mega fight the fans will want to see. ... I'm going to tell you this: Chavez Jr is not an easy fight. A lot of people say [it's easy] but that's not an easy fight. He's a big kid, he's a strong kid and he can punch."

    What the fuck is he babbling on about the fans want to see that fight? Er. No they don't. I've never heard anyone call for it. The public demand for that fight doesn't exist anywhere outside of the walls of Ward's imagination. lol

    He said this directly after Chavez Jr. had just won a total gift against Brian Vera lol.

    Ward told RingTV “Whether people like it or not, he got his hand raised tonight. That’s a fight [Chavez Jr. vs. Ward] that has to happen. That’s a pay-per-view fight. Chavez Jr. can fight. He’s got a lot of his father in him.”

    But when Froch wanted to fight Chavez and was close to getting the gig that Ward was desperate for, suddenly Chavez is a ''weak link'' and doesn't present a real challenge. lol. So Chavez was a real challenge for Ward but not one for the guy he whopped soundly with a broken hand. lol

    Ward said that he doesn't blame Froch for looking for a less threatening challenge.

    "Froch doesn't want to fight [me]. Right now Froch is behind the scenes trying to get what he perceives to be the weak link, which is Chavez Jr. But I can't blame him. Froch is 36-years-old or 37 or whatever he is, he's trying to cash out. He doesn't want a real challenge like [George] Groves or even myself. And that's fine, but don't bring my name up as much as you do and act like you want to fight when really you don't. Be honest with the fans,"

    --- Andre Ward

    I wonder how many milliseconds it would take Ward to sign to fight Chavez if Chavez said he wanted to fight him at 175? Hell, I bet he'd try and get down to 147 or bulk up to HW if that was the weight Chavez requested they fight at.

    If Chavez called him out at 175 does anyone actually believe he'd turn it down on the grounds that he's not a LHW yet? That's his and his trainer's justification for him not moving up to 175 for fights against Kovalev or Stevenson (now) even though he said he was ready for anyone at 168 and 175.