Golovkin-Tyson parrallel

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by divac, Oct 24, 2014.


  1. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yet 4 years later a 42 year old Holmes gave a prime Holyfield hell.

    Revisionists always suit facts to their own agenda.
     
  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I agree to a point.
     
  3. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    GGG hasn't come close to accomplishing what Tyson did at this stage. Very premature. Tyson fought many A level heavies. The definition of A level means someone who wins at the world class level, Berbick, Thomas, Holmes, Spinks, etc. B level would be someone like Tillis, Marvis Frazier, maybe Ribalta, contenders who challenge for the title but can't quite win it. Something to that affect.
     
  4. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A-Level at the time is A-Level at the time. Hindsight is a great thing but we can only judge by accomplishments being achieved during their own time.
     
  5. Daddy

    Daddy Active Member Full Member

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    Wasn't Tyson's first defeat to a B Level opponent? It didn't take an A level fighter. I don't think calling Buster Douglas an A fighter is appropriate? I may be wrong... However, aside from being picky with your words, I understand the point you're making. GGG can/will defeat many A level fighters if anyone will sign. I haven't noticed him ducking anyone but it appears some are ducking him (not a fact, just a hunch).
     
  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wonder if this has already happened to a small extent. Golovkin seems to be less cagier than he once was; in there to get the job done as soon as possible.

    However, while there is no one at Middleweight to either outbox him or takes his punches (for too long), it seems unlikely we will see him lose in this division for some time.
     
  7. Beatdaddy

    Beatdaddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is virtually no parallel between Tyson and Golovkin other than stopping opponents. They are completely different fighters. Golovkin is not just some "power guy", as you call him... You don't go 345-5 in the am's if all you have is power. The kid has an amazing skill-set in addition to power. All of you guys buying into the "all power, no defense" marketing line of HBO and his promoter aren't really watching what he's doing in the ring, or you at least don't comprehend what you are watching, and you are going to be surprised next year when his tests finally come along.
     
  8. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Michael Spinks, Trevor Berbick and 37 year old Larry Holmes would not be belt holders today. That's for certain.
     
  9. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    Do you have an example of what you mean by 'a solid, well rounded A level fighter'? Just to add some clarity to the discussion.

    It's almost a given that any fighter is going to look better against weaker opposition and not so dominant against the very best. I guess what I'm asking is which fighter(s) you think might make GGG look 'ordinary'?
     
  10. WildStyle

    WildStyle J.C. Penny's belt $2.99 banned

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  11. Monogamous STD

    Monogamous STD Ya know, Quasimoto predicted all this. Full Member

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    Maybe but if the other better fighters of the world thought that was the case you'd think they'd be fighting him. I can't wait to find out either way. You might be right. I'm enjoying him for now and will probably enjoy him even if somebody does him the way you're talking about because he'll still be an action fighter at heart.
     
  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thankyou!

    For some reason some people think being a world champion in an age where theres multiple champs in every division makes you top tier and a great fighter.
     
  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    What are you talking about? Fighting a survival fight, Holmes lost about every round shelling up on the ropes and throwing few punches against Holyfield.
    You call that giving a fighter hell? :lol::nut
     
  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have a different version of rating fighters than you do.
    A level for me is a fighter who if not be the best, at the very least compete and strongly challenge against most of the best in any era.

    For me, B level is someone like Berbick who in the right era can be a champion but in a strong era would fall off the top 10 in his division.

    The fighters you mentioned to be A level to me are B level at the time Tyson fought them, and the B level fighters you mention are C level fighters in most eras.
     
  15. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Golovkin may turn out to be a great, but I have a hunch he's going to struggle against better caliber opposition than he's faced to this point.

    Off of what he's accomplished ot date, many are rating him with the ATG's and I find that laughable.
    I think of how Golovkin would fare against great middleweights like Hagler, Hopkins, Hearns, Jones, etc and I'm not seeing him coming within sniffing distance of beating any of them.

    Golovkin is fighting in a weak era of Middleweights so its difficult to really gauge how good he is. Devestating knockouts dont = greatness.
    A better skilled fighter that does'nt have devestating power can make a devestating puncher look ordinary.