Golovkin v Hagler's title defenses?

I agree with this. Hearns handspeed would probably give Golovkin some problems but he was badly hurt and holding on for dear life against the likes of Roldan and Kinchen. And he got knocked out by Barkley. I'd expect Golovkin to beat him too.

 

Canelo's upperbody movement made it a struggle for Golovkin to land punches on him. For that reason i'd take Benny Briscoe over GGG since he had the same type of bob n weave / slip n slide defense only he was bigger , hit harder and had much better stamina.

 

GGG out landed Canleo 218 to 169 with a 31% connect rate. Briscoe would not out land or hit GGG.

Mind you GGG was 35 and slowing down a bit vs. a guy in his prime at age 27.

At his peak Canelo doesn't hear the final bell. In fact if GGG makes an adjustment, Cannel's ( He and could have been on PED's for that fight ) cover and counter game is in trouble.

 

Canelo out landed GGG on power punches and made him miss 500 of his total punches.

All the eye catching and most significant shots of the fight were landed by Canelo.

Ever see that move where the guy emptied his mini gun into the jungle and his comrade says we hit nothing ?

GGG is the guy with the mini gun. Canelo is the jungle.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f88d6c60-d773-4249-a67d-e61769e8f9df

 

Yet, he was durable at 175. Always been a bit of a mystery to me, that one.

His losses at Middleweight; one against an ATG, whom he entered into a firefight with; the other an anomaly, would normally offer enough of a reason to doubt his chances.

If this thread was dealing with Hearns against another uniquely gifted opponent; someone closer to Hearns' level, I'd be more inclined to think his apparent vulnerabilities were a determining factor. As it is, we're talking about Golovkin, and so it's not enough to deter me from the speculation that Hearns would win this one - save that of the puncher's chance for Golovkin.

Golovkin's Jab pales towards insignificance, when matched against that of Hearns.
Golovkin's chin has never been tested against a puncher like Hearns.

As long as Hearns sticks to his boxing, he's taking this, quite comfortably. Because, he was so far ahead of Golovkin, in terms of Boxing ability, it is difficult to find the words to describe the gap between them. "Chasm" doesn't even get there.

I suppose, Hearns was light-years of "special", when compared to Golovkin, will have to suffice.

 

There you go again, claiming a man who was never floored chin wasn't tested. The films show he takes a punch often without flinching or changing his actions, which are mostly aggressive.

Tommy was an offensive guy, not a defensively specialist, or a jab and grab type. His style put him into risk vs the two best natural middles he fought.

#1 is GGG will be a hall of fame fighter, same as Hagler.

#2 is he's better than the other anomaly that defeated Hearns at middleweight.

#3 GGG's got one of the best ATG jabs at 160 pounds too. Remind me again who outpointed him? That would be no one.

GGG, by the way, hits harder than Hagler, and Tommy's style, which was never play it safe and box for points saw Hagler blitz him.

If you think Hearns could take GGG's body or headshots, just raise your hand. Hearns has a weakness and his preferred style doesn't do well vs durable punchers, but GGG had far more skill than your typical durable puncher.

 

There you go again - not responding to what was written. "Golovkin's chin has never been tested against a puncher like Hearns." Period.

He doesn't need to be a defensive specilaist. He was a highly skilled Boxer Puncher, with ranginess and movement (also not seen by Golovkin).

So what?

Maybe. But Barkley represents the Puncher's chance.

There you go... ...fantasizing about Golovkin's capabilities, again. LOL!! Remind me... who has Golovkin fought, with a skill level comparable to that of Hearns again? That would be no one.

Does he? I'm not convinced. Also - if you are using the Hagler/Hearns fight, as the yardstick for a speculative contest between Hearns and Golovkin, you're reaching. It was a one-off, and you clearly haven't seen much of Hearns' career, if you think he went into all his fights like he did that one.

How long does the easy-to-hit Golovkin take being beaten to the punch by a taller, rangier, faster, harder-hitting and better moving Hearns, who can deliver more damage on the outside than his opponent and cover more ground in two steps than Golovkin can cover in four? Even if Golovkin goes the 12, he's been outdone on points.

(I bet Jacobs comes into this debate, at some point - He showed vulnerability at Middleweight too, didn't he?)

Golovkin has got a Puncher's chance and that's it.

 

The footage will decide that.

https://imgur.com/5mvbw8W

Canelo welcomes an exchange with his back against the ropes. ^^

When its Canelo's turn to trade , Goovkin FLEES the area!!

Why didn't he stand his ground and trade back?

Film -1.. Doza - 0

 

Sorry , I can't see Hearns beating any hard hitting solid chin middleweight who can box like GGG. Some time in that fight Golovkin hits Tommy and he starts doing the shuffle and goes horizontal. He's too good for Mugabi too,Duran will probably drop a close decision like he did against Hagler

 

You really think Canelo punches as hard as Hearns? Or as fast. And Golovkin's chin is not Hagler type. That is overrated. I think Hearns could stop Canelo either KO or TKO. Canelo would be coming forward and that would work well for Hearns. That is what his gameplan would be and he doesn't have great defense so I think it is possible. I don't think GGG is a hard hard puncher, he is a strong guy who takes over on overrated guys. He is no Hagler or Hearns.

 

I would favor GGG over all of Hagler's championship reign opponents. I would expect Duran and Leonard to be stylistically the most problematic for GGG. As for Hearns, he could not ask for a worse middleweight opponent than GGG other than Hagler.

Head to head I favor Hagler over GGG.

 

Why do you think Canelo avoided Gennady for years? He waited like Leonard did with Hagler, I agree Hearns would kill Canelo but you'd never get him in the ring with him. Golovkin would knockout Hearns , watch the Barkley fight, Golovkin hits every bit if not harder than Iran and is twice the boxer. Who did Hearns beat at middleweight that GGG couldn't , Juan Roldan? who was an eyelash from ko'ing Hearns, Shuler? Your argument is a sieve , it don't hold water

 

Totally agree, I thought Haglers prime was around the Tony Sibson fight looking back. Hearns had a chance to fight him early and bailed, so did Leonard. GGG whacks out Tommy

 

Who did Hearns KO at middleweight, or super middle and please spare us a lightweight moving up ( Duran ). You might find out that despite being a what you call

" he lost, drew or went the decision more often than not at 160 or 168.

I agree, but could he take a punch, say on Hagler's level? That would be a resounding NO, and GGG hits harder than Hagler.

Despite his ranginess and movement, he could last vs a brawling Leonard ( when he switched tactics ) either, and he's smaller than GGG

Golovkin, easy to hit? I think you haven't seen much on him and let's not confuse aggression and the willingness to take a shot to land your own as defense.

And with Hearns string bean legs, his wasp like body, or suspect chin to punchers, GGG's body short or head shots can get that job done.

Out boxing Hearns would not be the goal. I'm not saying he could.

Hearns was near unbeatable at welter, but at middle he wasn't durable enough and his power wasn't quite the same, which is why he lost to punchers, or the durable types...GGG is both.

 

Are you seriously trying to suggest Hearns couldn't bang at 160?

His KO ratio is more than respectable, in a career spanning 6 weight divisions.

You don't go 61-5-1, across six weight divisions, without having some level of durability.

Sure... ...Let's forget it was the 14th round of a fight, in searing heat, against a legendary opponent and contested at a level Golovkin could not dream of matching.

LOL - I've watched enough of Golovkin's 'Predator Style' to know I'm not going to confuse so-called "aggression" with poor defense and virtually non-existent head movement, commonly referred to as fighting with one's face, either.

Like I have suggested, Golovkin has a Puncher's chance.