Golovkin vs Duran.

You know a bit about humiliation ,God knows you get enough of it here, but you have no clue to a boxers psyche,you've never boxed.
Boxers often don't fear the defeat as much as being embarrassed in the course of it.This is confirmed in many one to one interviews with champs and contenders.

 

I though this was common knowledge,apparently not!

 

I though this was common knowledge,apparently not!

You're correct, those were his words.It's well documented that Leonard and Mike Trainer wanted a quick return because they knew Duran ate himself out of shape between fights , the rematch gave him enough time to do that , but not enough to get back into proper shape.Anyone with eyes and any insight into boxing can see from the film he wasn't the same man in the return.They can also see that Leonard's punches weren't doing damage, it was the humiliation and the show- boating that made him lose his cool and turn away in frustration,
saying in effect F*ck It!.

 

Durans ability to judge distances, fight on the inside and box when he had to was always overlooked.
He wasnt a middleweight though...a welter at the most.

 

He also had great head movement that took the sting off of a lot of punches.

 

I havent seen a Duran type of fighter since then either, same goes for the other big 3 when it was only the WBA & WBC.

 

It was actually Freddie Brown who came up with the cramps story. And cramps and illness are close enough that you can use one interchangeably, you don't need to make it seem like it's part of a list. But no, Duran clearly quite out of frustration. When SRL throw that bolo punch, Duran thought he was going to be embarrassed throughout the fight with these sort of tactics and he was already annoyed to being with, because he felt he never had the time to train properly for the fight. So the combination of these things, resulted in Duran throwing up his hands in a fit of frustration. But hurt no.

 

Yes indeed!

 

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Not at all. This was Hagler's first superfight and to be quite frank he had a bit of choke in him here. He (to the surprise of some) outdid Duran inside so Duran had to go to his outside game, applied with caution. Hagler barely pressed and was overly cautious tho he won comfortably on fair cards. For him it was a below par performance. He was told to push the last couple of rounds and won them handily.

No such respite with GG. Comfortable UD.

 

..........and who exactly has GGG beat?

 

I thought Hagler did press from the middle rounds on.Duran had a lot to do with Hagler not looking so good.And this was an 83 version Hagler, not the one Leomard beat.

ggg might beat Duran but it won't be comfortable in my opinion.

 

Hagler was overcautious at various stages. He did push late in the middle rounds at one point and with Duran struggling and tiring backed off next round.

I would agree Duran, after realising he could not match it on the inside fought a spoiling type fight. Hagler if he really pushed would stopped him on fatigue imo. Monzon would have stopped Roberto over 15 i believe. That's no knock on Duran, it's impressive that he was even in these positions.

I definitely think GGG would impose his size and power enough to beat Duran.

I would also bet my house Hagler would beat Duran in a rematch far more convincingly.

 

The thing is that it was a 15 round. You can't go full force ahead for 15 rounds.
In my opinion, Hagler tried to preserve his energy at the beginning of the fight to make certain of the strong finish.

If Duran can make Hagler bad, think about what he could do with GGG. Hagler is better than GGG.

I agree though that GGG would prevail as he is probably to strong, but it would be close in my opinion.

 

I have no doubt Hagler was preserving energy at times, too much. He let Duran and cruise far too often, even when he had him under loads of pressure. As Monzon said, and proved, you have to lean on these little guys and show them who is boss, wear them down. If Hagler pressed more it would be the smaller Duran gassing not Hagler.

It was Hagler's first "Superfight" and he was a bit starstruck and overcautious. Of course he still won handily but much more was expected against the much smaller Duran.

Hagler did gas a bit in a couple of fights well earlier, maybe he was worried about his own stamina but still, constant pressure would have ground Duran down.

So in essence i think Hagler made Hagler look bad far more so than Duran did. This is one of the reasons i don't get over enamoured with the Hagler fight and let it seduce my thoughts on a GGG match.