Golovkin wants more than 12 million to fight Canelo?

"It's his biggest payday by far" isn't really a strong argument, unless you said the same about Walters too.

I tend not to get into business arguments on here because rarely do we get the truth from both sides and it's all subjective. But whatever. 12M is a lot of money, no doubt (although I heard 10M too and Oscar said it was 2,3,4 times his biggest purse...so which was it?). But a flat fee for what is realistically the biggest fight in boxing isn't right IMO. I mean, you gota look at what the fight is worth and could potentially generate to decide if that's a fair offer because these things are relative. We know Canelo is the A side here but it's not like Golovkin is some unknown guy either. I don't think it's unfair to say that no other fight will make Canelo nearly as much money as the GGG one would now.
Plus, to make a flat fee for a fight that's a year away seems kind of ridiculous too. Either guy could lose by then or whatever.

Like I said, I don't enjoy the business arguments much so please pick up on any lies or BS in that post but to my mind it seems a balanced response.

 

Along with that they can do a trilogy to really milk it lol

Now that would be some $$$

 

If true. The guy is pricing himself out. Pretty stupid when you're a nobody. He needs to respect that CANELO is the star. GGG is a flash in the pan, in comparison.

 

Saying he's "the star" is relative. He's a big star in California, Nevada and Texas ... the bottom half of the west coast and the border of Mexico. If you can find a lot of Mexicans in one place ... he's a big star. Huge! That's why he stays there.

But George Groves was filling 80,000-seat stadiums in England. When he came to the U.S., he fought in an empty Vegas casino on an undercard. Wlad Klitschko was filling stadiums in Germany, but he stayed away from the U.S. because his ratings were terrible here. Virgil Hill was the biggest sports star in North Dakota. Elsewhere, not so much. (That Hill comment was a dig, but I had to throw it in there.)

Think if they held the Canelo-Liam Smith fight in England and Anthony Joshua defended his title on the same card, Canelo would've been the main event? NO WAY IN HELL. He'd have been on the undercard.

If a Canelo-Golovkin fight was held in California or Nevada or Texas, yes, in Mexico, definitely, Alvarez would be the draw. If it was fought in New York or Chicago or Philadelphia ... or Canada or Japan or Australia or England or Germany or Russia ... or basically the rest of the whole world ... not so much.

 

Who is selling the PPV's?

 

Depends on who would promote the fight. Fights aren't just on PPV in the U.S. You could sell Golovkin-Alvarez on PPV in a lot of countries.

That's why someone saying Canelo is the "star" is misleading. In some parts of the U.S. and in Mexico, yes, he's huge. Most of the world isn't Mexico.

 

Wow! ESB is filled with accountants!

 

Obviously, the fight wouldn't be held anywhere but the fight capital...Vegas. And Canelo is the STAR. Nothing changes from what I said. GGG shouldn't be balking at an opportunity like this. He has no leverage and no comparable options. Canelo can make money and draw attention fighting anyone at this point. He doesn't need GGG for that.

 

I agree, the fight won't be held anywhere but the western half of the U.S. or Mexico ... because those are the only places Canelo will fight ... because those are the only places where he can claim he's a big star.

And that's why it'll never happen.

Even Andre Ward has fought a title fight on the east coast of the U.S. Canelo can't seem to make it east of Texas.

It's a marketing gimmick by Golden Boy. "Look, Canelo is a big star!" Just like Groves' promoter said "Look, George Groves is a huge star!" But Canelo can't fight where there aren't tens of thousands of Mexicans within a car ride's distance, because then he's not-so-big of a star. Just like Groves wasn't so big once he crossed the ocean and his buds couldn't drive to see him.

Golovkin fights in the U.S. (California, New York, Connecticut). Golovkin fights in England (London). Golovkin fights in Ukraine. Golovkin fights in Germany. Golovkin fights in Kazakhstan. Golovkin fights in Monaco. Golovkin fights in Panama. Golovkin fights all over.

Canelo sticks closer to home than Andre Ward does.

The truth is the fight would make MORE money if it was held ANYWHERE BUT the west coast of the U.S. Nearly the entire world is asleep or just waking up when main events are held on the west coast of the U.S. If it was held in Europe, EVERYONE in the world would be awake to see it live.

It's got the makings of an exciting fight while it lasts.

But Canelo only fights on the West Coast or in Texas or Mexico because that's the only place he can claim he's a big star. And therefore they're limiting the PPV audience to the U.S. And therefore Golden Boy will want to negotiate like their guy is the big star. And that's why we'll never see the fight.

The moment the WBC demanded they begin negotiations, Canelo dumped his belt and fled the division. Because the WBC approached it with a "world view" ... not a Golden Boy "we only fight on the west coast or Texas where Canelo is big" point of view. Globally, it's the best matchup between the two top middleweights. Globally, there's no A and B side.

Everywhere else on the planet, basically, it's just two names in boxing fighting for all of Golovkin's belts. And since Golden Boy won't have that, the fight isn't ever going to happen. Ever. They'll flee the division before that happens (we just saw them do it).

 

Youre so dumb you said Margarito vs Perez 1 was in Texas and that you were there, when it was in fact in Indio Ca... what a lying idiot!

 

Vegas is where the vast majority of big fights are held. Golovkin has a name in the states, with hardcores mostly. And he does well on the west coast. So, it makes no sense for the fight to be held anywhere except where the most money can be made. Much of the earnings will be from PPV. Yes, Canelo will bring in most of the money, by far. And he is the STAR. So, GGG will have to take shorter money. But, If GGG is averse to making more money than ever, he can go and try to fight Liam Smith in England.

 

The fact is if GGG doesn't take this money he's ducking Canelo period. I always told people here GGG is a diva and isn't willing to go out of his way to make a big fight and I'm being proven right more and more everyday.

 

Canelo will bring in most of the money from fans ON THE WEST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES and Mexico.

The rest of the world ... um, not so much.

Golden Boy has always been essentially a west coast boxing operation. Not a global operation. Oscar bought an existing west coast boxing promotional company way back when. He based it out of the west coast. He has primarily focused on the Latino market (on the west coast). Running shows out of Vegas or in California is like driving to work in the morning. They don't even think about it. They are on auto pilot.

If you have one boxer from one side of the world and you have another boxer from the other side of the world ... and you want to draw the largest audience GLOBALLY, you make sure as much of the world can view it as possible.

You don't just stage it in Vegas because you're "used" to fighting there.

And it makes ZERO sense for a world champion from Kazakhstan with all the belts to defend against a Mexican fighter in Nevada or Texas ... so the Mexican fighter's promoter can insist on 90 percent of the take because his fighter is "BIG" down in that small section of the world.

It makes more sense to hold the fight in a central location in Europe where people from the Western United States as well as people from Eastern Europe can all be awake at the same time and order it.

But Canelo can't do that, because he's NOT a global star. If he actually was, it wouldn't be a problem.

IN ALL HONESTY, would it matter to you if Golovkin-Alvarez fought in Madrid, let's say? In a big soccer stadium?

Would that make it "less" of a big fight if it aired at 2 p.m. on a Saturday afternoon in Califonia live from SPAIN ... in a giant stadium ... and the whole world got to watch it live? And the fighters got parity in their purses? And they sold PPVs all around the earth.

Would you lose sleep over that, as a fan?

Or does it have to be in a sterile Vegas casino, where nobody shows up until the main event, and the undercard is filled with guys fighting in front of empty seats. And half the world is as asleep. Just so Canelo can get 90 percent of the take because he's bigger in Vegas?

It's a ridiculous argument.

Golden Boy, despite the money its made over the years, is really just a local west coast outfit. But the boxing world has moved away from the west coast of the U.S.

Hell, even Canelo-Khan would've made more money globally had been held in Europe. After all, it's difficult to sell PPVs to people in Europe when the main event starts at 4 a.m.

But 20,000 Mexicans from California can't drive to London. So they had to stage it on the west coast of the U.S.

The global sport of boxing is leaving Golden Boy in the dust. And Canelo soon with them.

Even the WBC, which is based out of Mexico, saw Golovkin-Alvarez as a global fight where the fighters deserved parity ... The rest of the world doesn't see Canelo as this huge star like their little spot in the lower west coast of the U.S. does.

 

The most lucrative fight in the history of the sport was fought where? VEGAS. And the majority of fights in the last 30 years, which fit a similar profile were fought in "dry Vegas casinos." No reason for things to change now.

Considering that Canelo has a huge fan base in that area already and GGG has a strong fan base there too, and all over (as you are basically claiming), there is no point in changing a proven formula.

When GGG has the kind of leverage in other parts of the world that Canelo has in the Western and Southwestern US, he can determine where the fight is held.

 

Yea you are right why does GGG need to give up so much money when Canelo is not a world star. Since Canelo cannot draw anywhere else he might as well fight other fighters in PPVs around the world and rake in the cash getting a bigger cut selling PPVS to 97k people.