Golovkin would of gave Eubank jnr one hell of a beating

He had that injury for years before the tommy Langford fight. Come on you just need to watch him for 3 minutes to realize he can't throw it straight.

All the things you,ve said....How would moving about the ring help him with no straight right hand. He going to win the fights on the outside with just a jab? You control distance with that straight right hand. The jab, the feet and the straight right. Tell me how hes going to keep people off him. Tell me how groves controls distance?

No idea how to set traps? Without a straight right hand. Explain what traps your talking about. Hes fighting on the outside....with just a jab. You,d need to be an absolute moron to get set up in a trap against a guy with just a jab.

No idea how to become an all round elite level fighter....how do you become an all round fighter without a straight right. People talk about the jab....being the most important punch. It is but its followed by the straight right in terms of importance. Not only that but when they talk about the jab being this special punch...part of that is operating with the straight right.

No one will succeed fighting fundamentally without a straight right hand.

Honestly if you haven,t boxed before visualize fighting without the use of the straight right hand.

 

He can't extend it. That's what the injury is. The straight right...won't go further than the jab. That' s a massive problem in itself.

 

Yes I think we can say now that Golovkin would either give him a beating like you say or even just of knocked him out massively as Golovkin loves it when his opponents trade with him,like he trolled Monroe into trading Eubank would just fall for it as he doesn’t have the power to trouble GGG which seems such a funny thing to say as he looks like a physical specimen but one with no decent power.

 

You can see it in his training vids even,wether he’s on the pads or punch bags ect it’s all bent arm stuff and I’m not sure he could get it out of it now as he’s so drilled into these fake routines where it looks like he’s envisioned an opponent made up of various pads and he does this thing where he puts his head down looking at his feet and just bangs away left,right,left,right and not even 24 hrs after his loss he was back in the gym doing exactly this to the point where I question his sanity actually.

 

Straight right hand and the jab is what Floyd senior said was the most important shots in a boxers arsenal,as good as Gassiev has looked we may see something like this play out with Usyk who punches nice n straight and extends his arms better than Gassiev who does tend to hook his shots also.
Do you think Eubank even with a top trainer can scrap his routine like style and Learn those two straight punches?

 

He,d still need to fight on the outside without a straight right. Improving everything in his arsenal. On the outside....your very limited in what you can do with just a jab.

Tyson's a good example tbh. He did block, slip, Bob, weave. But go back and watch say the Larry Holmes fight. A lot of the time Tyson got his success by overpowering them. He was flatfooted. He wasn't getting inside by using fancy footwork most of the time. He was more powerful than them all...a lot of Tyson is just walking straight in. He done a lot of his bobbing etc on the outside. He,d pivot etc when he was in...but a lot of Tyson's success came from overpowering them. Few could match him basically because he was extremely powerful. If you get the chance watch the Larry Holmes v Tyson fight.

Groves was actually stronger than eubank on the inside anyway. They we,re stupid to believe a middleweight would cope with a big supermiddle
. very very few middleweights would outstrength a big supermiddle. He didn't have the option Tyson did...cause he couldn't overpower groves anyway.

He probably does lose to the three you,ve mentioned even with a straight right. He,d lose ten times out of ten to groves. Going up to super middle negated his strengths. He,d maybe beat lesser super middles but he wouldn't,t beat someone that can control distance like groves can. Even guys with good right hands struggle badly to get inside on groves if he doesn't want you to. Until he tires anyway...the bigger guys can tire him...he was too comfortable with eubanks strength/power up at the higher weight. etc to tire badly.

 

That's why I believe that's why they train the way they do mate. Its a contingency plan. The injury hes had for years...means he can't extend the right hand. Their limited in what they can do with him without the straight right...they then try to counteract it by loading up on the type of training they do. By trying to make him an inside fighting machine.

But the big problem is he,ll always struggle to get inside against good boxers without a straight right. They don't know how to fix that. Tbh I doubt a world class trainer could without a straight right. My bet is he,ll actually end up a less effective fighter...trying to fight fundamentally. he was hit continually against spike...when booth trained him for that one fight. Booths not all that fundamental...but he' a lot more fundamental than their trying to do it.

He,ll always struggle to transition onto the inside without that straight right hand being able to extend.

Your right it is madness he went to doing exactly what he's been doing the day after. Everybody agrees. Has anyone thought tho its because they don't have many other options without that straight right. Does explain why guys like eubank senior and Ronnie Davies...would let him do it. Their not as idiotic as people think...they know he's limited in what he can do with the injury.

 

Going off the footage and pictures I've seen, he seems to be able to extend it plenty. Even if it doesn't completely lock out, it really doesn't seem to be that much of a handicap. Nowhere near enough to be an excuse for him being as bad as he is.

 

Ah right you reckon it’s injury related,probably overdid the training and wrecked his arm,agree about the father he’s no mug when it comes down to it which is why all of Jnr opponents after Saunders were hand picked to stand there.
Thing is if it is an injury the surely some rest would be in order instead of him constantly worrying himself but we all know that won’t happen.

 

Yeah I bet it is overtraining that caused it bud. He,s had it for years now. I,m not sure it is even fixable. Tbh its a career ender if they can't get it fixed. He,ll always be a massively flawed fighter with it. But it does help explain...why hes like that imo. And why they need to pick opponents that just stand there.

 

Not sure I agree mate. That's where all his problems are starting from. They are neglecting certain things in training...but for me they know even with these flaws fixed it won't really help him all that much without the straight right hand. He,ll still struggle to transition onto the inside even with excellent footwork...if he can't comfortable fight on the outside. He becomes far too predictable without it. He can't really set traps. He can't properly control distance. He cant really successfully mix it up between outside and inside. Thats the important one if you want to get inside. Keeping the opponent guessing.

The stuff hes been neglecting..isnt all that hard to fix...because it doesn't need to be exceptional to successully get him inside. He doesn't need to be Pernell Whitaker to get inside. Theres no one more than me that believes footworks the most underrated thing in boxing. But it doesn't,t need to be exceptional to get inside. The biggest difference to eubank would be being able to mix up his work from outside and inside....that would change his game. But no one can box on the outside trying to get onto the inside succesfully with a right arm that doesnt extend...at that level.

 

Riddick bowe didnt have a straight right. Mike tyson didnt throw his right hand straight for 70% of his fights.
Its not the end of the world. The problem is eubank has no power whatsoever but he cant really box either.
If he was physically incapable of a extending his jab, that would be a real problem. But lots of guys loop their right

 

Fair enough. Agree to disagree.

 

As I said above Tyson overpowered guys...they we,re no match for him. Walked straight in a lot of the time. Didn't need to bother making them guess when he was going inside. He could overpower them. Eubank had no chance of overpowering a big strong supermiddle. He will overpower some of the middleweights tho.

Will watch riddick bowe tomorrow and tell you exactly why he got away without it. Eubank will get away with it he already has...but it,ll be at middleweight against guys that can't control the distance.

 

Gennady would have made him never want to fight again.