Good evening. Have any questions regarding MMA?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by James23, Jun 30, 2009.


  1. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good evening eastsideboxing forum members,

    I'd like to start off by introducing myself. My name, as you can clearly see, if James. I've been practicing some form of martial arts since I was 4 years old (18 years total).

    I've practiced Tae Kwon Do (Which I hold a black belt), Muay Thai, Boxing, Wrestling, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

    I've become increasingly upset about the animosity between traditional boxing fans (not all, mind you) and some fans of Mixed Martial Arts (MMA). I find this to be ridiculous and based off pure ignorance to both sports (Ignorance of boxing as a sport and Mixed Martial Arts as a sport). Some of you (though, most likely, not all of you) may yourself have some question regarding MMA and what it is, it's foundations, techniques, and whatnot. I'd like to take the opportunity to answer any of those questions you may have as throughly as possible.

    This is merely intended to generate interesting conversation and possible debate. (Respectful. If you're clearly sarcastic or spiteful/hateful in your posts, I will ignore you (not that you'd care, I'm sure))

    So, I invite you to ask any questions you may have regarding MMA as a sport and I'd be more then happy to answer. And if I'm unable to I'll simply tell you that I don't know the answer.

    Thank you.

    - James
     
  2. wansen

    wansen Guest

    The motivation seems sincere........I, for one, however, have no interest in MMA at all. Way too much rolling on the floor entwined for me.
     
  3. H .

    H . Boxing Junkie banned

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    thanks. have fun here
     
  4. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    Yep, same here no action in that sport and way too much hugging and dry humping on the floor for my taste, but hey whatever some people like that and a lot of people don't so whatever floats your boat.
     
  5. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Understandable. The ground fighting and it's techniques are, by far, the most difficult to understand. It's exceptionally sophisticated and very difficult to understand to someone who is not trained in ground fighting and control so most people don't know exactly what it is they're looking at. But it is immensely complex. It's a mixture of wrestling (not professional, but what is referred to as "amateur" wrestling which is practiced typically in High Schools and Colleges/Universities and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (Which is very sophisticated and so effective that it is mandatory training for U.S. Army Rangers, Navy S.E.A.L.S, Special Forces, F.B.I Agents, etc....)

    And I'd also like to say that I have tremendous respect for boxers. They're combative athletes as well and I can fully understand and respect the hardships and turmoil that they have to endure in training. Most are great athletes in their own right. This post and my presence here is not intended, in any way, to show disrespect to this forum and the sport of boxing.
     
  6. Ghost45

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    i dont like the cage fighting when they are in the ring they have more room to move around and do there thing
    but all the ground fighting can get really boring
    and alot of tool bags at my school love mma
     
  7. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting characterization of your class mates. Probably accurate, and hopefully not a generalization of MMA fans.

    There is a very big difference between fighting in a ring as opposed to a caged area (beit an Octagon as you'd see in the UFC or a circular cage you'd see in most other organizations).

    Boxing ring - Many MMA organizations use a boxing ring in which to hold their fights. The ropes in a ring are more conducive to striking based fighting and can be used effectively to prevent being taken to the ground. Also, in a ring, you have 4 distinct angles (90 degrees each) in which to trap an opponent into a corner where you can greater utilize certain techniques.

    Cage (Octagon) - Used in higher level MMA organizations has key differences then a traditional boxing ring. If you've read the above, you'll pretty much know that I'm going to point out the lack of a "corner" in which to trap an opponent. So, working the angles and cutting off a fighter is a bit different and has different consequences. Also, there isn't anything in which to grab to support oneself against a takedown. Also, as has been stated in this thread, the cage is like size to a boxing ring in legitimate organizations. There is plenty room to work techniques from every fighting style. Just a different platform, in a sense.
     
  8. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I hope too. As a student of boxing and its techniques I hope to learn some things here, at the very least. Albeit I don't have all the time to devote strictly to boxing, it is very important to my training as a complete Mixed Martial Artist.

    And thank you, sir.
     
  9. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    I get into a street fight and both me & my enemy are laying on the ground hes on top pummeling away and Im on my back. He has a heavy weight advantage so trying to roll to my stomach is out of the question. What should I do?
     
  10. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Wait for the ref to jump in the second a "Single" punch lands on or around your chin. :D
     
  11. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    do you think there will be a high level undefeated fighter in mma?
     
  12. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    Also, to add on to what I said I've never liked it and never (not that I haven't tried though I watched a couple of fights, but it bored me, it wasn't anything special, etc) but Ray Mercer knocking out the champ of that ufc or whatever it's called just really proves how tough that sport is. A Boxer could become champ in the ufc but a fighter of that nature couldn't be a champ in Boxing.
     
  13. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    How has Dana White ruined the "True" meaning of MMA?
     
  14. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, that's more of a technique question. And one based off of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which is fighting on the ground.

    Despite being heavily outweight and possibly physically weaker, one can use technique and body positioning to overcome size and in turn to manipulate your opponent/attacker on the ground.

    And, one thing you should never do is to give your back to someone. This offers them greater control over your body and exposes some vulnurable points to his attack.

    Also, this is very heavily situationally dependant. I'll state now that I'm not a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt, though I have been practicing BJJ (no-gi) for roughly 4 years. So, assuming that I'm turtled up and facing down and he is directly on top of me I would try one of two things.

    1.) I would try and turn my body (which should be possible depending on the weight disparity) to the outside so my outside leg is facing out and my head is facing my attackers body. From there, I can quickly maneuver and manipulate his weight (assuming he knows little to nothing about ground fighting but is an atypical attacker) so that I can quite simply pop out from underneath him and assume a greater position on top of him or to a standing position.

    2.) I would start as I did in example 1 and simply pull to what is called a "Full Guard" which is meant to be a very defensive position from which one can mount a successful offense. By wrapping your legs around your attackers waist you can limit his movement and thus limit his attacks and positioning. You're also controling his body to a degree and if you're sufficiently knowledgable you can easily garner control over a limb and end the conflict fairly quickly.

    I hope that, at the very least, somewhat answers your question.
     
  15. LONGROB

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    Welcome,
    I started training in a Taekwondo gym( Kim's School of TKD in Charlotte, NC) in 1994. I became bored with the style in a real hurry. In 1995 I switch to a gym that taught BJJ. After about a year I was bored there also. I'm a person that needs a Role Model for motivation. I switched to boxing because I had no desire to be a Royce Gracie, Dan Severn or Ken Shamrock. I wanted to be Ali, Frazier or Tyson. I've been boxing ever since. I hook up with MMA guys in the gym from time to time and roll. It's fun and good exercise but meshing half assed striking with grappling seems very unartistic to me. I just don't see much skill in ground and pound.

    I'm aware from my time with MMA fighters that they work very hard. I have respect for them but I'm not in to MMA as a whole. I also don't like crude sluggers and excessive holding in boxing. I enjoy technicians.