Well, there is. Lyoto Machida is the current UFC Light Heavyweight Champion. He's exceptionally skilled in his families form of Karate, Wrestling, Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Boxing. Statistically, he's the most successful MMA fighter ever. Another worth mentioning is Fedor Emelianenko. (His one "loss" was a DQ, I believe). Another very highly skilled fighter in all areas with great success. The reason why you see great records from the top boxers and mixed records from Mixed Martial Artists is you have different skill sets that can often offset eachother in MMA as opposed to boxing where you're simply matching a singular skill set. All you have to do is be the better boxer and you're going to win the majority of the time, minus any "luck" (which I don't believe in fighting there is "luck"). However, in MMA, you can be the best boxer/thai fighter, but if you get taken to the ground by a fighter who is somewhat competent in ground fighting techniques you can easily be submitted or TKO/KO'd on the ground. It's mixing different skill sets in a fight. So, to be undefeated or to have great success you have to be highly skilled in all areas of fighting.
I was trying to make that point to someone but they were trying to disagree with me.. what you said about the mixture of styles pretty much confirms what i told him..
This depends on how you define the "true" meaning of MMA. Personally, I don't believe he's ruined anything. He's taking this sport which was worse then dead and in fact had a horrible stigma attached and saw the value behind what MMA was about by taking a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu class and saw beyond what a casual fan tends to see and saw potential in the sport. Currently, what he's doing is growing the sport worldwide which is costly. He has said, and I agree with him completely, that in 8-10 years, MMA will be the most popular sport in the world. His reasoning and I believe him to be correct is that MMA transcends all cultural barriers. While a sport like cricket may be hugely popular in certain parts of Europe, it may not be liked at all in the U.S. and likewise about a sport like baseball. But you put two fighters in a cage/ring, everybody, everywhere understands that. It makes sense to everyone. It's competition at it's most basic form going all the way back to early stages of homosapien evolution.
MMA is a sport and not a street fighting style. It can be used but ground fighting is dangerous in a street fight because often the spectators are friends etc. I don't know of anything that's gonna defend you from getting stomped out by some dudes friends when you take him down. Throwing an open handed punch with the intent of poking out your opponents eye is good for starters. Also, if you wanna go the BJJ route you don't have to give up your back......Working an arm bar is also not a bad way to get a big guy off of you.
I'm not sure what to think about this thread...lol I doubt that some of you boxing fan's are that stupid to not understand the basics of MMA right? Cause James is basicaly talking to most of you like idiot's... again excuse me if I'm wrong, But do you peep's really not understand the tech & holds that can applied while both on the ground a while being attacked. (Besides stand-up) I commend you james for taking the time, But I am truly shocked at the ignorance of some of these posters when it comes to MMA. WOW!
Good stuff, Like I have told people before... I'll give this a 20 year transition period till it becomes a 100% pure sport. (Instead of becoming something some college kid tries because he failed at something else) Once MMA is taught to kids from the moment they are children like Boxing was/is. Then and only then will it be in it's true form.
I can certainly understand this sentment. I myself was awakened to the uselessness of Tae Kwon Do and now my black belt might as well be a paperweight. While TKD can have practical application in a fight, it's mostly garbage as it's taught in the U.S. I myself enjoy technicians and technical fights. I can appreciate a good boxer and his technique, absolutely. My explaination would be that you were probably working with relatively poorly skilled fighters and BJJ practicioners. If you watch certain fights (not all, mind you as MMA is still a pretty young sport) you'll see amazing technique being executed. As BJJ instructor John Danaher says about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, "Everyone will look, but very few will see." It's just a different type of technique being utilized.
Actually, I hope I'm not coming across condescending, as that is not my goal. In answering a question, I assume (and it's probably not the case, but for practical purposes) that the questioner knows nothing or next to nothing, so that I can give a very complete answer to hopefully fill in the blanks. So maybe they'll read something they did already know, but maybe fill in the gaps inbetween knowledge that they've come into.
The thing with MMA is that there are few fighters that are an elite master of their skill. Only a few. It is a bit of "jack of all trades master of none." I dont follow MMA that much but i know a few guys. Besides very few are "True" martial artists that follow the philosophy of a martial art. Machida and GSP are one of the few. I hate that a guy goes to a gym does some decent striking good takedowns and mediocre ground fighting=MMA fighter.
This is true to a large extent. Forrest Griffin (A former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion) has said that if you want to be competitive in MMA now you've got to start while you're young(er). The days of coming in with only a year or two training in MMA is fast dwindling as the average skill level increases immensely. (While most MMA fighters will have a base that is built over the course of years, beit boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Karate, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu...they don't train MMA or cross-train. This implies that they must start to cross-train at an average younger age, which is true) I'd assume that 20-50 years down the road, the only fighters you'll see competing at the highest levels are LeBron James type athletes who have been training in different forms of martial arts for years. Fortunately for many, MMA is a very young sport and the average skill level for MMA is at a (while considerably higher then it was in 1999-2001) low level. It'll only get more difficult. As we can see with fighters and athletes like Georges St. Pierre.
On a personal level, I'll largely agree with you. Fighters such as Lyoto Machida, Georges St. Pierre, Anderson Silva and Rich Franklin embody the true spirit of Martial Arts. I've seen quite a few fighters who are the complete antithesis of what I beleive a martial artist should be, and frankly, I don't like it in the least. But, you'll have your mix and thankfully, at the top we have the true martial artists.
mma wont get bigger than soccer... aint no way i doubt basketball either... david stern is a genius when it comes to marketing outside of usa... no way he (white) can compete with stern
I have been doing MA's since i was 10 and a lot of "MMA' fighters mentality is the wrong one. I remember one dude saying "i get to kick the living **** out of someone without getting arrested and actually getting paid for it. Whats not to love?" That aint a right mentality. It should be trying to better yourself against the best. Thats why Machida is a good example and he did it with a strong Karate base. A MA that is overlooked. MMA has become that if you dont know Muay Thai or BJJ you are going to lose. There are many other MA's that are really effective. Judo is one that is amazing. I also hate MMA people who **** on boxing. boxing is probably one of the most effective things out there. No MA has better hands than boxing and your reflexes will improve drastically. Combine that with how i said Judo and you have a devastating fighter but master those skills. Not like every other MMA fighter whos does only a little bit of everything.