Good evening. Have any questions regarding MMA?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by James23, Jun 30, 2009.


  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Are we talking about those ball bitin' fights?
     
  2. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, thank you for that second paragraph in particular. I didn't know that about boxing (though it's true and I did know it about Jiu Jitsu). Though it's still a singular fighting style. Just like you have wrestling competitions under a unified set of rules, you have boxing matches with boxing rules. And Jiu Jitsu competitions with set rules. But, again, thank you for pointing that out, I didn't know it.

    And as far as pay is concerned, I have mixed thoughts about it. Many of which I won't get into, but I beleive the pay for fighters will be getting better, and it has been (Up to $3,000,000, I believe for the likes of Georges St. Pierre, Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar...guys who get a cut of the PPV %) + sponsors and unannounced bonuses. But, the UFC, while making a good sum of money, is not simply hoarding it. They're using nearly everything to not only pay the fighters but also to grow the sport worldwide. So, once that's "done", they'll probably be more to go around to the fighters.

    As far as "Superstars" go, MMA will have them. It just simply has to be around for long enough. MMA in it's current form has only been around since (it's debatable) 1999 or 2001.

    But, thank you for your post and thoughts, sir. I do appreciate it. :p
     
  3. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While I'll agree that those types can be annoying, I think you'll find that across the board on any sport (combative or not). It may be disproportionate to combative athletics, but I'm not sure as I have no real proof or evidence.

    Thankfully, I'm not particularly a Limp Bizkit fan nor do I drink, so we have good fans in both sports (Boxing, MMA). :p
     
  4. celtic power

    celtic power New Member Full Member

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    Not completely true. Contract disputes are keeping Fedor (widely considered the best p4p mma fighter of all time) from competeing in the UFC. There are also plenty of other great fighters who aren't in the UFC who can beat champions in the UFC, who the UFC has not signed.
     
  5. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, that's your version of aesthetics. You enjoy the precision and technique a "clean-ness" of boxing, to which I will agree. I do too. But all MMA is, in the most basic form, is fighting. It's as close to a street fight as you can get within a reasonable set of rules.

    While you may not particularly enjoy the "beauty" of grappling techniques, I find it incredibly beautiful to see someone execute a particularly difficult guard pass or a position change or body maneuver into a joint lock.

    While I may not agree with your opinion, I still respect it.
     
  6. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I believe MMA, as a whole, will get more defined as time goes on. It went from having absolutely no rules (with the exception of eye gouges) and being banned almost nation wide, to being nearly state regulated nation wide and almost globally accepted.

    It will take time, but it'll get there eventually.
     
  7. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Yes. Why do so many MMA fighters have Glass Jaws?
     
  8. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is true and while I disagree with the UFC and some of its actions, I'm willing to accept some of the bad because it's doing far more good for the sport overall.

    Hopefully they'll come to a deal with Fedor as I'd love to see him fight the winner of Mir/Lesnar and/or Shane Carwin.
     
  9. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl

    Oh James this is a good one. Rico has a PhD on "mandible force resistance science"
     
  10. celtic power

    celtic power New Member Full Member

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    "reasonable" is a subjective term. As the sport has been growing, the rules are changed not to make the sport better, or thinking of the "fighter's first."
    The rules change so the owners can make much more money off of it. The sport looking nothing like it did 15 years ago is mostly due to the fighters being more well rounded, but A LOT has to do with the rules being more restrictive.

    The sport could have grown just fine if they kept the original rules, except Dana White rather be a billionaire than a mere multi-millionaire.
     
  11. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    nah im saying the system is good.... its just like one big tight organization....

    thats funny though... my dad actually put my on to ufc back in like 1997... he had a bunch of royce gracie tapes back when royce would fight with his gee (karate jumpsuit) on ... he had other fighters also but thats the only person i remember because he got the most attention and the matches would last for what seemed like hours
     
  12. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hmmmm....

    Well, while some MMA fighters may have glass jaws, as is commonly referred to, some of them have exceptional chins. Some fighters have withstood thai knees to the face or shin kicks to the face or elbows from their backs and retained consciousness and the ability to intelligently defend themselves. All of which have more power then even the most powerful of punches.

    (Particularly ground strikes, as it's augmented by the force of gravity. And Thai knees are very devistating)

    As well as being able to take constant punches from fighters with solid boxing backrounds. Also, they're using 4 oz grappling gloves, so it augments the kinetic energy transferred upon contact.
     
  13. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    It's VIOLENCE, James. Let's not bull****. It's human COCKFIGHTING.

    And I wasn't talking about "grappling," I was talking about how incredibly ugly, sloppy, and girlish your boy Lyoto looked trying to get Evans out of there "striking." Honestly, absolutely DISGUSTING.

    No offense to you though, bud. I'll let you get back to what you're trying to do here, whatever that is.
     
  14. celtic power

    celtic power New Member Full Member

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    There jaws aren't necessarily worse, it's just that most don't consider striking defense a high priority, which is a BAD idea.
     
  15. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On this we'll have to slightly disagree.

    In MMA, the first thing and the most important thing is the safety of it's fighters. Bottom line is the fighters are doing the work in the cage/ring and if not for them, MMA is nothing. So their safety is the primary concern for most (not all, as we saw with EliteXC, which was clearly more concerned with ratings) promoters and organization heads.

    I believe the addition of certain rules has helped the sport to grow and also improved the safety of fighters while maintaining it being a full combat sport. The rules in place are there for the sole purpose of protecting the fighters.