Good fighters win titles @ least @ 3 different divisions

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  1. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Willie Pep is CLEARLY better than 5 of those guys, and arguably better than the other 2.

    (PS: Five points to the guy who picks out which 5 he is clearly better than and which 2 are arguable)
     
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  2. McGrain

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    I would say he is a full class above Mosley, Trinidad and Pacquaiao - those men would be embaressed to hear you say this. Leonard, Hearns, Jones and Toney are arguably in the same leauge but are all a peg or two below.
     
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  3. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  4. bill poster

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    If a boxer decides to be the top dog of his division (Hagler)and stay there then thats ok by me. Leonard and De la Hoya are a disgrace with their demands and antics. SRL making Hagler come into the ring at 160, 15-20 lbs below what he would usually weigh on the night- the 2 division stuff with Lalonde etc plus I always thought he looked a little too 'pumped up' post Hagler ....:huh
     
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  5. thunder06

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    what about hagler?
     
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  6. Expert

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    yes, Hopkins is not as good as Trinidad, and yes, Hagler was not as good as Hearns. I know they fought and Hagler won, but he was not as good as Hearns.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    But is Hopkins a "good fighter"? What about Burley and the other guys I mentioned? None of them even won a world title at all. Do you not see them as good fighters?
     
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  8. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins is clearly better than Trinidad and Hagler is clearly better than Hearns.

    I can find Youtube links that prove it if you'd like. If beating another fighter in his prime doesn't make you better, what does?
     
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  9. brooklyn1550

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    No, look at Sam Langford or Harry Wills - never even fought for a title, but are great.
     
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  10. Smazz20

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    would you regard Calderon in the same regard as Hopkins, if he was to win titles at 105-108 and 112?

    Hardly as impressive as a 41 year old moving up from 160 to 175 to beat the MH champ is it?

    My point by the way is their are too many weightclasses. Just as their are too many abc titles
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Don't agree with that bro. The type of weight classes that would go would be the "in between" weights - and as we've seen, Hatton could be a genuine ATG at Ligh-Welter, but is not going to cut the mustard v top fighters at the weight above. Why deny ourselves fighters doing the business at these weights?
     
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  12. Expert

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    Exactly, this is why Hatton aint as good as Mayweather.
     
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  13. Expert

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  14. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Yes. All the heavyweights, and Hagler, Monzon, Ricardo Lopez, and Hopkins are all not good fighters. :patsch
     
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  15. Smazz20

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    I agree. I would even keep Cruiser to be honest. The weights that I would get rid of are at the lower end of the spectrum.

    I'd just cut three weights. 105-108 and 115. I could even understand if someone wanted to cut 122, but i'd keep it.
     
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